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re: Let's revisit the Patriots, Cooks trade. It saved our season.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 10:26 am to ShamelessPel
Posted on 10/20/17 at 10:26 am to ShamelessPel
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Looking back, it's a borderline miracle we got a 1st for Cooks. 1st rounders just don't get traded for veteran players that often.
Cooks is younger than Thomas with 2 fricking 1k seasons under his belt & 2 years left on his deal at the time.
Old veteran? Lol wtf
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Posted on 10/20/17 at 10:55 am to Lester Earl
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Cooks is younger than Thomas with 2 fricking 1k seasons under his belt & 2 years left on his deal at the time.
Old veteran? Lol wtf
Didn't say old veteran you illiterate moron.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 10:57 am to ShamelessPel
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illiterate moron
Posted on 10/20/17 at 11:07 am to Brettesaurus Rex
I agree with you. What a good move in hindsight, wow.
I honestly think we've won all of the trades we've made in recent years. Jimmy trade was a slam-dunk, even with Anthony being a bust. The Stills trade you could maybe argue, but we got some good play out of Ellerbe, and Williams is still a young talented guy on the roster. We got Snead for free and he's an upgrade on Stills.
I honestly think we've won all of the trades we've made in recent years. Jimmy trade was a slam-dunk, even with Anthony being a bust. The Stills trade you could maybe argue, but we got some good play out of Ellerbe, and Williams is still a young talented guy on the roster. We got Snead for free and he's an upgrade on Stills.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 11:32 am to Lester Earl
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1250 yard pace in 2017
His on-pace speaks more to how the Pats are playing games with a historically bad defense than it does to how Cooks is playing. Pretty obvious actually.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 1:01 pm to ShamelessPel
You called him a veteran. Old is synonymous with veteran. Point still valid
Posted on 10/20/17 at 1:14 pm to Lester Earl
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Old is synonymous with veteran
quite the stretch there
Posted on 10/20/17 at 1:16 pm to sicboy
Would you label cooks a veteran?
Especially in the context that "most veterans don't fetch a 1st Rd pick"?
Especially in the context that "most veterans don't fetch a 1st Rd pick"?
This post was edited on 10/20/17 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 10/20/17 at 1:29 pm to Broken Ear Glen
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is on-pace speaks more to how the Pats are playing games with a historically bad defense than it does to how Cooks is playing. Pretty obvious actually
Lol never change glen
Posted on 10/20/17 at 1:45 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
I was all for trading Cooks and was pretty happy with a 1st for him considering he has never been to a probowl nor even been in the discussion. Also, with his selfish "me first" attitude, I was ready for him to leave.
I won't undervalue him, because he does bring it and he does produce, but he's not a difference maker or game changer. I thought he had potential to be Antonio Brown-esque, but in reality he doesn't and never will. He is small, but not tough. He is fast, but has no vision.
Ramczyk is so vital to this team now and for the future that it isn't even funny. And having a 5th year option on a tackle is massive for building a team.
Much like it is for having one on a legit #1 corner. I was so happy we did not trade for Butler in the end. I really didn't like the power move by the Patriots to drive the price up for Butler, and was glad Loomis/Payton stuck to their guns.
And as a result, the #1 corner fell into our laps, and he is playing better than Butler. One of those times where luck finally shone on the Saints.
I won't undervalue him, because he does bring it and he does produce, but he's not a difference maker or game changer. I thought he had potential to be Antonio Brown-esque, but in reality he doesn't and never will. He is small, but not tough. He is fast, but has no vision.
Ramczyk is so vital to this team now and for the future that it isn't even funny. And having a 5th year option on a tackle is massive for building a team.
Much like it is for having one on a legit #1 corner. I was so happy we did not trade for Butler in the end. I really didn't like the power move by the Patriots to drive the price up for Butler, and was glad Loomis/Payton stuck to their guns.
And as a result, the #1 corner fell into our laps, and he is playing better than Butler. One of those times where luck finally shone on the Saints.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 1:51 pm to LSUZombie
I tend to also think the butler deal was still a possibility until Lattimore fell to us
Posted on 10/20/17 at 1:57 pm to LSUZombie
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but he's not a difference maker or game changer
how is a guy that leads all WR in YPC not a game changer?
Posted on 10/20/17 at 2:08 pm to Lester Earl
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how is a guy that leads all WR in YPC not a game changer?
Because he's an old veteran
Posted on 10/20/17 at 2:08 pm to Lester Earl
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how is a guy that leads all WR in YPC not a game changer?
Joe Morgan did the same thing. He was not a game changer.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 2:10 pm to BlacknGold
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Joe Morgan did the same thing. He was not a game changer.
Joe morgan was never 7th in the NFL in YPG
Posted on 10/20/17 at 2:15 pm to Lester Earl
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how is a guy that leads all WR in YPC not a game changer?
I hear what you are saying but I feel like that's pretty misleading.
All he does is run fly routes. He's really not capable of anything else. So he catches a lot of long balls, but he can't break a short catch for a long gain that often, and he doesn't make "dynamic" plays like an AB.
He is what he is. A guy that is going to stretch the field for you and catch some bombs, but not do much else.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 2:18 pm to Fun Bunch
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, and he doesn't make "dynamic" plays like an AB.
no one does, and i wouldn't call him the only game changer in the L
The hate on Cooks is downright weird.
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A guy that is going to stretch the field for you and catch some bombs, but not do much else.
that's just not true bunchie. He had 162 catches for us the last 2 years, its clear you are only choosing to remember the TDs which most came on long passes.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 2:29 pm to Lester Earl
I think our WR's were really struggling to get open in the 2nd half of the Lions game. Ginn is a solid deep threat at the price, but Cooks would bring us back to the legit elite level of 2009,11, and 13. If the opposing defense has a CB that can handle Ginn 1 on 1 without safety help, it allows them to focus on Thomas. Snead isn't playing well and Fleener/Hill aren't scaring anyone, though Kamara's development will help take pressure off of Thomas. But I don't think that we go ~25 minutes of game time without a first down if Cooks is on the team.
Still, with Ramcyzk playing so well and costing us a LOT less than Cooks over the next 5 years, I think it was a good trade. But I think that WR is one of our top 3 needs heading into the draft.
Still, with Ramcyzk playing so well and costing us a LOT less than Cooks over the next 5 years, I think it was a good trade. But I think that WR is one of our top 3 needs heading into the draft.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 2:32 pm to THRILLHO
Yea, I think Cooks is what people think Ginn is. Ginn is 1 dimensional. Cooks is antonio brown compared him
Posted on 10/20/17 at 2:35 pm to Lester Earl
Ginn is a deep threat. Cooks is a weapon.
Teams game plan vs cooks, they don't game plan vs Ginn.
Teams game plan vs cooks, they don't game plan vs Ginn.
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