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re: Kiper 3-Round "A-Grade" Draft (Insider article)
Posted on 4/16/15 at 4:13 pm to Laaz2750
Posted on 4/16/15 at 4:13 pm to Laaz2750
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Does Gregory have character issues beyond the positive pot test? Cuz these days, that's not exactly a glaring red flag of a critically deficient character.
Apparently there are other character concerns with Gregory but weed seems to be the major concern. It isn't the fact that he likes to smoke but the wreckless behavior that has revolved around his smoking. He could have least tried to beat the system. The worse part is he has failed test during the time period he has the most to lose.
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Teams already had serious concerns about Gregory's character and marijuana use in the fall. Several general managers, personnel directors and scouts that I talked to in the fall cited Gregory as a "character risk" during our conversations and expressed the need to dig deeper into his background before endorsing him as a top pick. Scouts who had spent time on the Nebraska campus repeatedly told me his marijuana habits were bigger concerns than his on-field deficiencies.
While I heard the rumors, it wasn't until Gregory admitted during an interview with NFL Media's Kim Jones that he three failed drug tests that I was able to confirm the issues that were frequently discussed in NFL scouting circles in the fall.
From a team perspective, Gregory's admission to a failed test in January 2014 and April 2014 is a huge concern. He was coming off a sensational sophomore season that captivated the attention of scouts; several evaluators viewed him as a potential first-round prospect heading into the season. The fact that he had multiple positive tests in his most important season and that he continued to use marijuana despite being one strike away from being booted off the team suggests a deep-rooted problem with the drug. It's no secret the NFL has some marijuana users on its teams, but teams have problems accepting players who prioritize their recreational habits over football preparation. Thus, Gregory's inability to clean up before the NFL Scouting Combine will raise serious red flags about his maturity, professionalism and commitment to football. No doubt, the team that drafts Gregory will have to provide a support system for him.
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Posted on 4/16/15 at 4:17 pm to BigBrod81
yeah - a guy, like Josh Gordon, who can absolutely light it up on the field but cant stay on the field bc of suspensions does you no good.
hard to compare the two at this point, but that's definitely the ultimate fear there
hard to compare the two at this point, but that's definitely the ultimate fear there
Posted on 4/16/15 at 5:04 pm to tdevil1
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Josh Gordon, who can absolutely light it up on the field
Seriously, though accountability becomes an issue. If a player thinks he can break the rules & smoke weed, who is to say that same player won't feel that there's anything wrong with being late for team meetings or flights. The team just had this issue this past season.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 5:06 pm to tdevil1
I am so tired of small, speedy guys. We need a big body outside man who can start drawing double teams and opening things up on the outside. If we go Dorsett at 31, I'll be so upset.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 5:41 pm to blueslover
I Dont even think the pot is a big deal, its the fact that he failed a drug test that he knew for months he would have to take. So him failing the test shows his immaturity and lack of concern, which could turn into bigger issues.
Besides the fact that you have to be a moron to fail a drug test you know you have to take. You can pass a piss test the day after you smoke........trust me I know.
Besides the fact that you have to be a moron to fail a drug test you know you have to take. You can pass a piss test the day after you smoke........trust me I know.
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 4/16/15 at 5:43 pm to Meateye
Yea im not buying his bullshite excuse that it was in his system since Christmas 
Especially since he's not a huge 300lb DT which would make it stay in his system longer.
Especially since he's not a huge 300lb DT which would make it stay in his system longer.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 5:59 pm to Isaid
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Yea im not buying his bullshite excuse that it was in his system since Christmas
Especially since he's not a huge 300lb DT which would make it stay in his system longer.
For most people it only stays in your system from 1-2 weeks at most. Maximum for somebody that smokes constantly is a month.
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According to the experts at WebMD, the amount of time marijuana stays in your system is anywhere from a week to a month, depending on how often you use it and a number of other variables.
The combine was at the end of February. So yeah he's full of shite.
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 4/16/15 at 6:07 pm to Meateye
quote:quote:Don't see either one of these happening. We just got rid of our character issue problems why would we draft two more?
Round 1 (13) OLB Randy Gregory, Nebraska
Round 1 (31) WR Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma
Payton has said he wanted to get rid of the bad character guys. (Strike against both) He also said he want's guys who are ready to play now. (Strike against DGB)
I don't think we pick either of these guys.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 6:10 pm to BigBrod81
got it, thanks for the details
Posted on 4/16/15 at 6:41 pm to Laaz2750
Posted on 4/16/15 at 10:16 pm to BigBrod81
First off not sure why anyone including Mel Kiper thinks RG will be passed up by 12 teams.
Second nothing the teams come out and say and do means anything. It's all posturing and baiting. You don't want teams to know who you really want because if you want to make a trade they will work you over. It's draft tactics. This ain't Kevin aka sonny money type of stuff.
Bryce petty was on the radio talking about this today. How teams that don't really have interest or a need are having him come in.
Second nothing the teams come out and say and do means anything. It's all posturing and baiting. You don't want teams to know who you really want because if you want to make a trade they will work you over. It's draft tactics. This ain't Kevin aka sonny money type of stuff.
Bryce petty was on the radio talking about this today. How teams that don't really have interest or a need are having him come in.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 10:18 pm to Tiger Phanatick
I thought it was hair sample for NFL. Lol
Posted on 4/16/15 at 10:32 pm to Tiger Phanatick
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Second nothing the teams come out and say and do means anything. It's all posturing and baiting. You don't want teams to know who you really want because if you want to make a trade they will work you over. It's draft tactics. This ain't Kevin aka sonny money type of stuff.
Bryce petty was on the radio talking about this today. How teams that don't really have interest or a need are having him come in.
Well good thing you showed up, other wise we would've never known this. You've saved us all.......
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:05 pm to Tiger Phanatick
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Second nothing the teams come out and say and do means anything. It's all posturing and baiting. You don't want teams to know who you really want because if you want to make a trade they will work you over. It's draft tactics.
Under normal draft circumstances, I would tend to agree with you here but Payton has been stressing the need for high character players. The moves so far this offseason have been loud statements backing up this message. Payton is a Parcells disciple & the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Payton is a straight shooter. He doesn't do the sugar coated bullshite talk.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:31 am to BigBrod81
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wreckless behavior that has revolved around his smoking
Nothing you quoted in your post shows anything to do with wreckless behavior...
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:49 am to 337Tigah
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Nothing you quoted in your post shows anything to do with wreckless behavior
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The fact that he had multiple positive tests in his most important season and that he continued to use marijuana despite being one strike away from being booted off the team suggests a deep-rooted problem with the drug. It's no secret the NFL has some marijuana users on its teams, but teams have problems accepting players who prioritize their recreational habits over football preparation. Thus, Gregory's inability to clean up before the NFL Scouting Combine will raise serious red flags about his maturity, professionalism and commitment to football. No doubt, the team that drafts Gregory will have to provide a support system for him.
At the most important time period where his future in football is concerned, this is indeed wreckless behavior. He has brought even more negative attention to himself when there were already some doubt from scouts & GM's concerning his character. His failed test at the combine has him already in the league's substance abuse program. Wreckless behavior doesn't always revolve around legal issues.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:08 am to BigBrod81
Dorset will be good but he might still be there in the second. I have no idea who will be there at 13 could be anyone
Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:53 am to tdevil1
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Phillip Dorsett
Jesus, do they want an entire WR corps of small guys or something? Do not want.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:17 pm to BigBrod81
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Under normal draft circumstances, I would tend to agree with you here but Payton has been stressing the need for high character players. The moves so far this offseason have been loud statements backing up this message. Payton is a Parcells disciple & the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Payton is a straight shooter. He doesn't do the sugar coated bullshite talk.
I 100% agree. The writing on the wall for Saints to go Defense is correct I am just not sure it will be Kendricks or Gregory or Perryman or Dupree. I am speaking on the 13 nad 31.
I feel we can get that WR at 44 and then get OG/CB in the 3rd.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:46 pm to Tiger Phanatick
The interviews with guys with off field issues are huge. Nicks or Hargrove are examples that they will take guys with some history. In the interviews you can dig and try to determine if it is just a kid making stupid decisions or if there are deeper seated personality issues. Some teams will X off Gregory or DGB. Others will not. We don't know about what goes on behind the closed doors on Airline Dr.
I do like what Triplett said- Gregory will either be gone by 13 or if he falls it could be way past 13, more towards 31. He sees Dupree a much more likely fit.
I do like what Triplett said- Gregory will either be gone by 13 or if he falls it could be way past 13, more towards 31. He sees Dupree a much more likely fit.
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