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Is it really time to trade Reggie Bush?

Posted on 12/17/08 at 9:09 am
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 9:09 am
we have many needs and few picks

we will have some cap space once Patton and Deuce are cut (amongst others)

we have probably seen the best we will see from Reggie Bush in a Saints uniform and he is beginning to have health issues

Is now the time to trade him?

The Jets are moving into a new stadium, have a major need for a 3rd down back and would love to have someone with the star power of Bush to build a marketing campaign around. So Bush for S Kerry Rhodes and draft picks (both ways) a doable deal?
This post was edited on 12/17/08 at 10:04 am
Posted by Boomshockalocka
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 9:27 am to
quote:

The Jets are moving into a new stadium, have a major need for a 3rd down back


leon washington?
Posted by josh336
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 9:37 am to
no, not yet, we still have alot of his contract to handle
Posted by unlimited
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 9:57 am to
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leon washington


:kige:
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:02 am to
Bush >>> Washington

plus I don't think Madison Ave is clamoring for a national campaign centered around the amazing starpower of Leon Washington either
Posted by Boomshockalocka
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:05 am to
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Bush >>> Washington


Only in starpower
Posted by NOBODY
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:07 am to
draconian sanctions
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:12 am to
come on, Leon Washington is a good return man but he doesn't bring much to their offense

Bush gets a bad rep for running between the tackles but the Saints OL is so laughably bad a run blocking that we really don't know what Bush is capable of as a RB. But as a receiver out of the backfield he is a far bigger threat than Leon Washington

Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:22 am to
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The Jets are moving into a new stadium

what stadium?
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:30 am to
LINK

the PSLs for the Jets and the Giants in their new stadium are supposed to be sky high. Can't build a marketing campaign around the decaying Brett Favre in 2010.
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:30 am to
Brett Favruhruhruh Wrangler Jeans Stadium.
Posted by Laaz2750
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:39 am to
If he sucks so bad, how are we going to get anything of value for him? This is the fundamental problem with the "I hate Bush, trade him for something valuable" thread. If you're right, and he's a bust, who would take him?
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:43 am to
he doesnt "suck so bad"

but the question is, would his stock ever get any higher than it is now?
Posted by dnwsr
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 11:02 am to
Washington averages 5.9 yards per carry to Bush's 3.8. He has about 40 less rushing yards than Bush, but on 43 less carries. He has scored 5 rushing TD's to Bush's 2. Washington has over 300 yards receiving and a pair of rec. td's so it's not like he can't catch. And he is a better return man than Bush. So tell me again, why the hell the Jets would take a huge hit to their salary cap to take on an inferior player? While it may be time to trade Bush, the suggestion that the Jets would somehow want him is laughable.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 11:22 am to
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Washington averages 5.9 yards per carry to Bush's 3.8. He has about 40 less rushing yards than Bush, but on 43 less carries. He has scored 5 rushing TD's to Bush's 2. Washington has over 300 yards receiving and a pair of rec. td's so it's not like he can't catch. And he is a better return man than Bush. So tell me again, why the hell the Jets would take a huge hit to their salary cap to take on an inferior player? While it may be time to trade Bush, the suggestion that the Jets would somehow want him is laughable.


that is all fine and dandy, but comparing their stats when:
1) Bush has played hurt this year
2) Washington has a MUCH better OL to run behind
3) the NYJ have an overall MUCH better running game than the Saints do
4) the NYJ do everything they can to keep Favre from losing the game throwing the ball while the Saints expect Brees to win the game throwing the ball for them
pretty much makes the stats meaningless

and why do you think Washington isnt about to get a big contract?

Washington's contract:
CONTRACT INFO: 7/22/2006: Signed a four-year contract. 2008: $445,000, 2009: $530,000, 2010: Free Agent

or that Bush would be a huge cap hit for the Jets?

Bush's contract:
7/29/2006: Signed a six-year, $52.5 million contract. The deal contains $26.31 million guaranteed, including a $12.5 million option bonus in the second year and $9.5 million in incentives. 2008: $1.55 million, 2009: $2.225 million (+ $4 million roster bonus), 2010: $2.9 million, 2011: $3.575 million, 2012: Free Agent

Most of the big money on Bush's contract has already been paid out by the Saints.

but let me repeat, Bush is a marketable star in a place where stars matter and Washington is a nobody, especially considering the eventual end of the Favre era, the dominance of the Giants and needing PSL sales for a new stadium in a slow economy. I don't think Washington's superior stats to Bush right now balance all of that out

so once again, the premise of the thread is now the time to really consider trading Bush and is a deal with the Jets for Rhodes doable? I think it is time to trade him and I think the Jets would be the perfect place for him.
Posted by Cadillac59
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 11:24 am to
If we would have got into the playoffs no one would be asking this question.
Posted by Cadillac59
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 11:25 am to
If we would have got into the playoffs no one would be asking this question.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 11:34 am to
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we have many needs and few picks


Disagree. Have a healthy year, Hartley continues to kick well, get a ball hawking cover safety, a better DC, Payton using Bush more in the 2 back set like in 2006, an upgrade at LT(and RT) and C, and this team goes from .500 to SuperBowl contenders. That is not too much to ask for with our current picks and FA.
This post was edited on 12/17/08 at 11:36 am
Posted by AreJay
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 11:38 am to
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Bush's contract:
7/29/2006: Signed a six-year, $52.5 million contract. The deal contains $26.31 million guaranteed, including a $12.5 million option bonus in the second year and $9.5 million in incentives. 2008: $1.55 million, 2009: $2.225 million (+ $4 million roster bonus), 2010: $2.9 million, 2011: $3.575 million, 2012: Free Agent

Most of the big money on Bush's contract has already been paid out by the Saints.


Bush signed a new contract before this season. Changes things--his base salaries are WAY higher now...
LINK
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 12/17/08 at 11:39 am to
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get a ball hawking cover safety,


via FA?

quote:

Payton using Bush more in the 2 back set like in 2006,


with Thomas? because Deuce is gone in 2009 imho

quote:

an upgrade at LT(and RT) and C

damn, all three hunh?

and funny but you don't mention the second worst unit on the defense (after the safeties) - the LBers

so with limited cap space and a 1st rounder and not much else in this upcoming draft, how do you propose to upgrade at three OL spots, OLB and both safeties?

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