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re: Ingram Recruiting Haters
Posted on 4/12/14 at 1:15 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 4/12/14 at 1:15 pm to Chad504boy
I just want the guy to shut up and work. You know, like all the other running backs the Saints have or have had lately. Just shut up and prove your worth.
For now, an UDFA is still working harder, earning less and doing both while not acting a dipshit fool.
And this is nothing to do with being a Tiger fan and everything to do with we spent two picks on a guy who can't outdo a UDFA but talks like he's Adrian Peterson. Just shut up and earn it. I'd love to see him match his talk. Hell, I'd settle for a penalty after a run a lil longer than just 13 or 9 yards or whatever.
For now, an UDFA is still working harder, earning less and doing both while not acting a dipshit fool.
And this is nothing to do with being a Tiger fan and everything to do with we spent two picks on a guy who can't outdo a UDFA but talks like he's Adrian Peterson. Just shut up and earn it. I'd love to see him match his talk. Hell, I'd settle for a penalty after a run a lil longer than just 13 or 9 yards or whatever.
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Posted on 4/12/14 at 1:17 pm to ComicTiger
Eggsactly (Easter spirit)
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:33 pm to Geauxgurt
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I'm sorry that he statistically sucked most of his career and had a few good games. I am not sold on it yet. Also ironic, his improved running stats came after our line gelled and he'd been out for a 5 game stretch where they struggled mightily. Ignore that part, but hold it against PT.
and ironically, PT has sucked in regards to running the whole year just as much as ingram. I'm not saying Ingram > PT as a player, but you Ingram haters emphasize that PT is SO much better, but in fact they were both horrid in the run game.
Let's not take away the fact that teams can't predict PT, but can predict Ingram and use that against Ingram. That isn't on him, that's on playcalling. I remember all last year when Ingram meets a DT in the face 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage, someone posts in the game thread.
"frickING INGRAM
" How is that his fault again? he's supposed to miraculously jump out of the wrap as he got the ball and runs for 40 yards right?
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Also, I can take out the Dallas game because unlike the others, they were legitimately one of worst defenses in the history of the league. Take out his games against the best defense he faced in the regular season if it makes you happy, and see what the average is.
I took out his best game and put in 2 games against top 10 run defenses. Or here's a better one. Great gelled OL against carolina AT carolina right?
PT: 7 rushes 14 yards
MI: 13 rushes 83 yards
Oh my. Wait, PT was running behind THE same line right? Or did they just block for Ingram better?
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The thing about stats, especially in small sample sizes like in football, they can very much be greatly impacted by one amazing or dreadfully bad day. A sport like baseball or basketball counteracts this with having 162 and 82 games.
Yes, but out of his 4 big games this past year, 1 was against a bottom defense and the other 3 were against top 10 run defenses. That may sound "fluke", but I'd take that as my eyes aren't lying to me and how he ran was vastly improved compared to years prior. You saw it in his cuts, following the hole, being patient, and making that next level move to get another 5-6 yards.
We're talking "running", purely running, PT was horrid and MI/KR outperformed him, case closed. If you want MI to succeed, you better hope SP uses him in a way to let him succeed. Switching in and out and having MI in for 1 run and taking him out is not helping him at all. When he got decent carries down the stretch, he carried this team, most of that was of being unpredictable.
He was able to catch in Bama, you don't think he could do the same? I don't need a RB to catch 70-80 times a season, I'd be just as happy if you let ingram stay in and catch 20-30 a year. Similar to Lynch, mathews, lacy, gore, etc.
This post was edited on 4/12/14 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 4/12/14 at 3:11 pm to Geauxgurt
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So Patty, when one outlier performance clearly shifts his average by more than 25%, it isn't okay to evaluate the rest of his games?
If he had one good game against a bad defense, and then completely sucked the rest of the year, then you would have a point, but he didn't, so you don't.
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Fact is Ingram, even at his best is still a mediocre to average back. I am not calling for his head, nor thing he's horrible. He's simply not that good. He's okay.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 3:16 pm to htran90
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We're talking "running", purely running, PT was horrid and MI/KR outperformed him, case closed. If you want MI to succeed, you better hope SP uses him in a way to let him succeed. Switching in and out and having MI in for 1 run and taking him out is not helping him at all. When he got decent carries down the stretch, he carried this team, most of that was of being unpredictable.
+100
I've hated Ingram at times, but he's shown me that he can produce when he's fed carries. We really need to strip down the personnel swapping if we want the running game thrive.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:17 pm to htran90
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I took out his best game and put in 2 games against top 10 run defenses. Or here's a better one. Great gelled OL against carolina AT carolina right?
PT: 7 rushes 14 yards
MI: 13 rushes 83 yards
Oh my. Wait, PT was running behind THE same line right? Or did they just block for Ingram bette
Again, I didn't say Ingram sucked. I said he's been overall mediocre to above average. Further more, are you going to tell me in the regular season that getting 40% of his yards from 11 games in 1 game isn't a fluke? Really? Some of you are insane and don't understand what a fluke is.
He played better at running than PT down the stretch. PT has clearly slowed down and no one has denied that. He's struggled from being worn down. Ingram wasn't. He got significant rest (5 games worth to be exact).
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We're talking "running", purely running, PT was horrid and MI/KR outperformed him, case closed. If you want MI to succeed, you better hope SP uses him in a way to let him succeed. Switching in and out and having MI in for 1 run and taking him out is not helping him at all. When he got decent carries down the stretch, he carried this team, most of that was of being unpredictable.
Here is the problem with you guys. It isn't just his running ability. He killed drives when they tried to pass him the ball with drops. He's near useless in the passing game because he's a horrible blocker from what he's shown there. To be a running back, you either better be a miraculous running threat or be good at multiple aspects. Unless you have a ridiculous run blocking line to counteract that, you are pretty much predictable.
PT offers those things. Robinson even did as did Sproles. Ingram, not so much. But go ahead and continually blame the Saints' coaches and their playcalling for Ingram's struggles. I'd hope a 1st round running back would be able to break tackles consistently, and Ingram can't, but I forgot, 4 good games = greatness.
This post was edited on 4/12/14 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:27 pm to Hoodoo Man
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4. #8 ranked run defense Seattle he averaged 4.9ypc and had a fumble which he RARELY ever does. (2 fumbles in his whole career, including playoffs)
Are you serious? He is t eh fricking reason we lost this game. Between the drops and the fumble which was the difference in the game.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:31 pm to LaBornNRaised
He's the reason we lost? Couldn't have been the wind, that stupid glove, the 80 screens we ran, and missed two field goals?
This post was edited on 4/12/14 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:31 pm to Patrick O Rly
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We really need to strip down the personnel swapping if we want the running game thrive.
Why? Its worked for PT, Bell, Sproles, hell even Robinson and many others. Why should we change what we do for a guy that has been nothing but terrible?
1 good game = GOAT?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:32 pm to LaBornNRaised
This thread:
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:36 pm to whodatfan
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:44 pm to LaBornNRaised
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Why?
Because we became predictable with our personnel groupings.
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Its worked for PT, Bell, Sproles, hell even Robinson and many others.
It was never this crowded in the back field, and let's not forget that the running game wasn't working period last year, and when it did take off, Ingram was prominent in it's resurgence.
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Why should we change what we do for a guy that has been nothing but terrible?
You can't even argue your "point" without using fallacious statements. "Nothing but terrible?" GTFO.
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1 good game = GOAT?
Weak arse, straw man horse shite.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:46 pm to Patrick O Rly
Just.....stop. Let it die. Burn it in a fire.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:47 pm to whodatfan
Alright. I know I should. This dumb shite get's me riled up.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:48 pm to Patrick O Rly
Is this still revolving around the fact that he's a gump?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:12 pm to sicboy
I like how all the sudden a fricking fumble doesn't mean that much during a playoff game.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:17 pm to ComicTiger
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I like how all the sudden a fricking fumble doesn't mean that much during a playoff game.
yeah, no more annoying than watching our replacement kicker miss 2 field goals.
:beatdeadhorse:
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:26 pm to ComicTiger
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I like how all the sudden a fricking fumble doesn't mean that much during a playoff game.
His fumble alone wasn't what cost the Saints the game, but it sure as hell was a big factor as was his drop on I believe was a huge 3rd down.
In the end, I think Ingram played overall pretty well in the playoffs, and was a key cog in the teams success, but Robinson did just as well and actually knew how to catch a football.
He's a mediocre back that can't even do the only thing he's decent at great. For a first round RB that cost 2 picks, he's a colossal bust. People can blame the coaches all they want, but he's just not that great. He was better this past season after his horrific start, but I just find it hilarious how much people overvalue that Dallas game. Everyone in the offense had a great game and Dallas' defense is unbelievably bad.
They ignore that 40% of his regular season yards came in 1 game and state the trend was still better at the end. It was better than the first few games, but Ingram isn't that great. Him getting more plays doesn't guarantee he'll keep up that "better" pace either. He more than likely would get hurt or become less efficient. That's what happened to PT a ton and PT is simply showing his age, no shame in that.
Even if you count his post season yardage, nearly 30% of his total yards came in 1 game out of 13.
I for one hope he improves, but I don't think he's a great running back until he proves it. Just wish the dumbass would shut up and play.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:28 pm to Geauxgurt
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can't even do the only thing he's decent at great.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:29 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:You guys have no idea what a bust is.
For a first round RB that cost 2 picks, he's a colossal bust.
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