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I'm so happy a pick wasn't wasted on one of the "Edge Rushers"
Posted on 5/2/15 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 5/2/15 at 6:57 pm
Kikaha is a pure OLB with some of the best pass-rushing skills in the entire draft. 19.5 sacks last year and 37 for a career. Can cover the pass as well.
Stephone Anthony is a pure MLB. Davison will be a real "steal" as we plug him into a traditional 4-3 DT role.
PJ Williams would have been a day 1 pick if not for all the off the field stuff. He stays straight what a great pick.
We got LBers who play LBer, DLineman who play DLine and corners who can cover. Glad we stayed away from all that hybrid defender crap.
Kudos to CSP and Loomis.
Stephone Anthony is a pure MLB. Davison will be a real "steal" as we plug him into a traditional 4-3 DT role.
PJ Williams would have been a day 1 pick if not for all the off the field stuff. He stays straight what a great pick.
We got LBers who play LBer, DLineman who play DLine and corners who can cover. Glad we stayed away from all that hybrid defender crap.
Kudos to CSP and Loomis.
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:11 pm to WalkingTurtles
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I'm so happy a pick wasn't wasted on one of the "Edge Rushers"
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Kikaha is a pure OLB with some of the best pass-rushing skills in the entire draft.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
also, Tull, whom we used a draft pick on, is an "edge rusher", too
Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think he meant those tweener 230-240 pure pass rush guys(the ones that played DE exclusively). Kikaha has played standing up as a true OLB.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
You are missing what he is saying. An "edge rusher" is a draft term for a one trick pony. An OLB does many things other than rush the passer. And I agree.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:16 pm to bonethug0108
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I think he meant those tweener 230-240 pure pass rush guys(
that's Kikaha (and i'm not upset we drafted him. i really liked the pick)
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(the ones that played DE exclusively
isn't that Tull?
Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
That's not Kikaha. He played OLB and is over 250 lbs.
Not sure on Tull. I thought he played both but he is more of a tweener iirc.
Not sure on Tull. I thought he played both but he is more of a tweener iirc.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the ones that played DE exclusively
isn't that Tull?
No. Tull actually played as much in the middle as he did the outside/end. He is in that 240(+)lb. range.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:27 pm to bonethug0108
I remember hearing that some teams has Tull as an ILB. Wonder where we'll start him out at.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:28 pm to bonethug0108
the distinction between 3-4 rush LB and college DE is almost nill, though. being an "edge rusher" is just one variable of playing a pass rushing position. both of the guys we drafted fit the "edge rusher" mold (and Kikaha is reportedly a pass rush-only guy at this point in his career, which means, even with your definition of "edge rusher", he has that label)
and, again, i'm HAPPY. we need some pure pass rush guys. we got by with smoke and mirros in 2013 and it came home to roost last year
and, again, i'm HAPPY. we need some pure pass rush guys. we got by with smoke and mirros in 2013 and it came home to roost last year
Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:29 pm to mm2316
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Wonder where we'll start him out at.
hopefully our options help with the variability of the 3-4 and all the nickel you have to run in the modern NFL
if he plays ILB, we have 2 ILBs now who have pass rush ability. we haven't had that since clemons (and he sucked)
Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
Kikaha is listed at 6'3" 250lbs and has played standing up at OLB. He can cover the pass, move down the line and penetrate the run. Benefit of playing on the west coast is I can watch him late night on Saturdays.
A lot of these hybrid EDGE guys struggle in the traditional OLB roles. Point was Kikaha is a traditional OLB with size and awesome pass rushing skills.
A lot of these hybrid EDGE guys struggle in the traditional OLB roles. Point was Kikaha is a traditional OLB with size and awesome pass rushing skills.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:37 pm to WalkingTurtles
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A lot of these hybrid EDGE guys struggle in the traditional OLB roles.
and many dominate the NFL, like shawn merriman, demarcus ware, von miller, aldon smith, etc
before the 3-4 took over the NFL, that was a huge advantage. your DEs and OLBs were college tweeners who fell in the draft. they were value picks
Posted on 5/2/15 at 8:27 pm to WalkingTurtles
I like the pick, but this thread confuses me. Kikaha was viewed as more of a one dimensional player than just about all the other top 3-4 olb prospects. Not sure where this stuff came from about him being more of a traditional olb who can cover guys. Pretty sure that's a weakness for him.
Was Davison drafted to play as a traditional 4-3 tackle? It seems pretty clear to me that Saints are going all in with the 3-4 this year. Just about everyone at lb and dl on our roster is best suited to play in a 3-4.
Was Davison drafted to play as a traditional 4-3 tackle? It seems pretty clear to me that Saints are going all in with the 3-4 this year. Just about everyone at lb and dl on our roster is best suited to play in a 3-4.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 9:26 pm to WalkingTurtles
He comes from the strong side, and has a complete skill set. I absolutely love this pick. Only thing missing is wrecking his vette into a garbage truck, reconstructing his face, and basically inventing the tinted visor.
Dude is that legit.
Dude is that legit.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:33 am to landrywasbeast30
Davison's best features are playing in a 4-3. Kikaha'a biggest knock is how he can get swallowed up in the run game and is overly aggressive. I think we might be looking at more 4-3 over and sending 5 guys at a time.
We just don't have the NT to play solely 3-4. Or the quality LBers yet.
We just don't have the NT to play solely 3-4. Or the quality LBers yet.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 10:35 am to bonethug0108
Aldon Smith was classified as an edge rusher, Jarvis Jones (245 lbs.) Dante Fowler, Jadeveon Clowney, Jared Allen, and Dwight Freeny were all weighed more than 240 and we're classified as "edge rushers". There is no height/weight combination that will put tweeners in an "edge rushing" group. It's purely based on skill set and quick twitch reaction.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 11:18 am to Magazine St
Mistake on my part. I meant to put under 250 lbs.
I believe that was the size range the op was referring to but l could be wrong.
I believe that was the size range the op was referring to but l could be wrong.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 11:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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also, Tull, whom we used a draft pick on, is an "edge rusher", too
Tull is a super-athlete at the LB position and can be coached to do a whole lot more.
Kikaha can also defend the run. He's an all-around player that just excels at pass rush.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 11:49 am to BRL79
Yeah I really don't know where these reports came from that Kikaha can't defend the run or play the pass. He is a true standup OLB who is versatile. He is not some one dimensional pass rusher(though he excelled at that).
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