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re: Future QB thoughts....
Posted on 4/29/14 at 12:34 pm to Witecoco
Posted on 4/29/14 at 12:34 pm to Witecoco
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I know Brees is far from being done, but he's no spring chicken. I hope the Saints start looking soon. It would be nice to get someone like Aaron Murray, to learn behind Brees.
I can't speak German. Can someone translate?
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 12:36 pm to 4thandinches
Looks like they think Griffin has potential, otherwise they wouldn't have made sure to keep him like they did.
My dream post-Brees scenario would be to draft Trevor Knight out of OU and let he and Griffin battle it out.
My dream post-Brees scenario would be to draft Trevor Knight out of OU and let he and Griffin battle it out.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 12:39 pm to DeathValley85
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The mindset is to win Superbowls with Brees right now. Therefore you use those picks on guys who can potentially be starters right away.
Pretty sure I watched an interview with Loomis like 2 weeks ago where he said we draft for the future.. Players who can start down the road.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 1:19 pm to Witecoco
I'm not entirely convinced that Griffin lacks the talent to make it either.
His arm looked good in preseason
His arm looked good in preseason
Posted on 4/29/14 at 1:49 pm to Witecoco
Second page.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 1:51 pm to Chad504boy
Harris is the future 
Posted on 4/29/14 at 1:57 pm to TigerBait1127
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I'm not entirely convinced that Griffin lacks the talent to make it either.
I'm with you on this. Maybe he doesn't have it, but we really don't know yet.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 2:06 pm to Midget Death Squad
The Saints will draft a QB this season.
Bookmark it, sons
Bookmark it, sons
Posted on 4/29/14 at 2:13 pm to Witecoco
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Either way somewhere along the way you're going to have to use a high pick to get one. Why wait? Let someone grow under Brees while hes still got some years left?
Because we are in the era of the mega contract for QBs. You want your starting QB playing on his rookie deal for as long as possible.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 2:18 pm to illuminatic
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You want your starting QB playing on his rookie deal for as long as possible.
Especially if he's not a first rounder...
Posted on 4/29/14 at 2:26 pm to Sophandros
My thoughts are that we're at the point that if the value is there in the 3rd and beyond, then we should. If not, then we have a couple more years of taking a flyer on guys in the late rounds/UDFA and seeing what they can do.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 2:40 pm to illuminatic
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Because we are in the era of the mega contract for QBs. You want your starting QB playing on his rookie deal for as long as possible.
I understand that. But wouldn't you want your backup to learn as long as possible from a future HOFer? ie. Montana/Young
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My thoughts are that we're at the point that if the value is there in the 3rd and beyond, then we should.
I agree with this. I did a very poor job of conveying this thought. Just followed a blanket statement made about using an "early" pick.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 3:18 pm to Witecoco
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I understand that. But wouldn't you want your backup to learn as long as possible from a future HOFer? ie. Montana/Young
I feel like this isn't nearly as important as it once was. Guys coming out of college are ready to play day one. That wasn't always the case. I'm more concerned with our future QB learning from CSP. Sitting behind Brees sounds nice in theory but in practice, nothing beats game experience. The situation with Rodgers and Favre wasn't even planned. They saw value in drafting Rodgers and then Favre stayed longer than expected. If that scenario played out for the Saints, I wouldn't be mad at it. If a guy is sitting on the board and you can't pass him up solely on value, then pull the trigger. I don't like the idea of going into this draft actively looking for a replacement though.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 4/29/14 at 3:34 pm to illuminatic
Maybe. I just feel it could be more beneficial now, since the league is becoming more pass friendly. There maybe more QB's ready coming out of college but that doesn't mean they'll stick. To even sniff the highly touted one's, the next Brady, Manning, Brees, you have to have a top pick. I certainly don't want the Saints picking that high, 
unless it's through a trade.
unless it's through a trade. 
Posted on 4/29/14 at 4:06 pm to Sophandros
quote:quote:Especially if he's not a first rounder...
You want your starting QB playing on his rookie deal for as long as possible.
That's great if you get Andrew Luck (1st overall) or R. Wilson (3rd round).
Otherwise, you get stuck going through years of E.J. Manual, Ryan Tannehill, Brandon Weeden, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Geno Smith, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Mark Sanchez, Vince Young, T. J. Yates, Sam Bradford, Levi Brown, Jimmy Clausen, Christian Ponder, Josh Freeman, Chad Henne, JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Matt Leinart, Tarvaris Jackson, Jason Campbell, J.P. Losman, Luke McCown, Kyle Boller, David Carr, Patrick Ramsey and Joey Harrington.
I don't want to end up like the Buffalo Bills!!!
Posted on 4/29/14 at 4:12 pm to Witecoco
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Future QB thoughts....
Posted on 4/29/14 at 4:18 pm to Suntiger
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That's great if you get Andrew Luck (1st overall) or R. Wilson (3rd round).
Otherwise, you get stuck going through years of E.J. Manual, Ryan Tannehill, Brandon Weeden, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Geno Smith, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Mark Sanchez, Vince Young, T. J. Yates, Sam Bradford, Levi Brown, Jimmy Clausen, Christian Ponder, Josh Freeman, Chad Henne, JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Matt Leinart, Tarvaris Jackson, Jason Campbell, J.P. Losman, Luke McCown, Kyle Boller, David Carr, Patrick Ramsey and Joey Harrington.
I don't want to end up like the Buffalo Bills!!!
Only 2 or 3 of those guys even have what it takes to start in the NFL no matter how long they sit behind a HOF QB. I would rather find out early if our young QB is trash rather than building in other places while the "QB of the future" waits his turn. Then, when he finally takes the field, everyone realizes he's garbage.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 4:42 pm to illuminatic
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Guys coming out of college are ready to play day one. That wasn't always the case.
People keep saying that, but I don't think it's true. Mark Sanchez, Matt Lienart, Vince Young, Geno Smith, Josh Freeman, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, E.J. Manual, Christian Ponder are all recent QBs who weren't ready to start.
And guys who are really good now didn't start right away. Drew Brees didn't start right away, he was behind Doug Flutie until Octoer IIRC. Eli Manning split time with Kurt Warner. Tom Brady sat behind Drew Bledsoe for a year and a half. Philip Rivers sat a year behind Drew Brees. Carson Palmer didn't play at all his first year. Arron Rogers sat behind Favre. Kapernick sat behind Alex Smith. Rothlesburger was behind Tommy Maddox and Charlie Batch until they both got hurt.
I heard Mark Brunell on SVP the other day and he said sitting behind Brett Favre was the best thing for his career. He had time to learn and be taught and find out what to do and not do.
I'm not saying we need to get a QB this year, but if you aren't looking for a replacement QB, you are usually going to end up doing what the Jets and Bills and Miami and Texans and Chiefs and Bears and Vikings and Raiders and Eagles have been doing...Chasing Quarterbacks.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 4:52 pm to Suntiger
I agree. I don't think it's urgent enough to take one in the top 2 rounds this year, but I'd rather find my next QB a year or two early, than a year or two too late.
As far as playing on the rookie contracts goes, I don't think that's an issue. Say we draft Aaron Murray in the 4th and sits all 4 year on his rookie contract behind Drew. Then, Drew retires after that 4th year, and we believe in Murray to take the reigns. How much do we really think we would have to re-sign him for at that point? Hell, we're fielding a great team now with a $20m/year QB. Sure, he'll be 27 at that point, but we signed Drew at 27, and have gotten at 8+ good years out of him. I'd much rather this scenario than having to pick between the 2018 version of Teddy Bridgewater and Johnny Manziel.
As far as playing on the rookie contracts goes, I don't think that's an issue. Say we draft Aaron Murray in the 4th and sits all 4 year on his rookie contract behind Drew. Then, Drew retires after that 4th year, and we believe in Murray to take the reigns. How much do we really think we would have to re-sign him for at that point? Hell, we're fielding a great team now with a $20m/year QB. Sure, he'll be 27 at that point, but we signed Drew at 27, and have gotten at 8+ good years out of him. I'd much rather this scenario than having to pick between the 2018 version of Teddy Bridgewater and Johnny Manziel.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 4/29/14 at 5:08 pm to Suntiger
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Otherwise, you get stuck going through years of E.J. Manual, Ryan Tannehill, Brandon Weeden, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Geno Smith, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Mark Sanchez, Vince Young, T. J. Yates, Sam Bradford, Levi Brown, Jimmy Clausen, Christian Ponder, Josh Freeman, Chad Henne, JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Matt Leinart, Tarvaris Jackson, Jason Campbell, J.P. Losman, Luke McCown, Kyle Boller, David Carr, Patrick Ramsey and Joey Harrington.
Very true, but I'm willing to bet that half of those guys would have been viable if Sean Payton was their HC.
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