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re: For All The "I Dont Understand Why We Need Another Small WR" Posters...
Posted on 4/28/15 at 2:19 pm to Meateye
Posted on 4/28/15 at 2:19 pm to Meateye
And if you knew ahead of time the type of production Devery and Lance Moore would bring, you wouldn't draft them any where close to the 31st overall player
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Posted on 4/28/15 at 2:19 pm to NOFOX
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Actually with proper rounding Hilton is 5'9" and Cooks/Dorsett/Brown are all 5'10". Cooks and Dorsett are almost clones size wise. Practically speaking Cooks, Dorsett, Hilton and Brown are all the same size. All within about 0.5" and 5 lbs of each other.
It wasn't even that I was attempting to round down or up, I just usually say 5'9" even if he has some change. Just a habit.
But when someone doesn't actually have the accurate info and bashes me because "I called Cooks 5'9" all last season" is laughable. He might not be 5'9" exactly, but he surely isnt 5'10" either. I wasn't trying to justify anything, that is just what i call someone when i see 5096. 5'9". I'll make sure and put the exact measurement next time.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 2:21 pm to Lester Earl
now, lets talk about will smith's weight.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 2:22 pm to Meateye
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all the people who were saying we should not draft Dorsett because he's not 6'4" is just plain stupid.
twisting the argument much? we are saying drafting another 5'10" and lower guy is the problem. We need some productive size at the position before we are stuck with a starting WR core of midgets. That doesn't mean only 6'4+. Once you get into the 6'+ range we are in the right frame.
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How many Superbowls did we win when we had Jimmy? I'll wait....
How many productive seasons did we have with him? That's the relevant question. Instead you pose a loaded one in which we won our ONLY Super Bowl with a 6'4" WR playing great and in his prime, a 6'1" WR that was limited by effective, a 5'9" WR that was strictly an underneath possession player and a 6'5" former first round TE.
That's balance, and there was only one <5'10" WR in our starting lineup
Posted on 4/28/15 at 2:22 pm to Meateye
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How many Superbowls did we win when we had Jimmy? I'll wait....
God i fricking hate this dumbass argument.
2011 was the best offense in our team's history. Jimmy Graham was a monster that year.
Our offense has gotten worse since then because the other players have tailed off and failed to have been replaced.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 2:25 pm to bonethug0108
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It's laughable to imply we would have a whole receiving corp made up of small guys when it's been pointed out we currently have twice as many big guys as we do small guys.
And tell me again how many of those guys not named Colston have played ANY meaningful snaps. It's all well and good to keep out hope for those guys, but right now thats all it is - hope. We need legit players, not UDFA Practice Squad guys who we throw in there just because they are big bodies.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 2:26 pm to Chad504boy
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now, lets talk about will smith's weight.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 2:32 pm to PurpleDrank18
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And tell me again how many of those guys not named Colston have played ANY meaningful snaps. It's all well and good to keep out hope for those guys, but right now thats all it is - hope. We need legit players, not UDFA Practice Squad guys who we throw in there just because they are big bodies.
Exactly
Enough counting on Drew Brees to make these guys relevant WRs. We need to bring in guys with actual talent. Couple that with Brees' ability and we will be unstoppable through the air
Posted on 4/28/15 at 2:33 pm to Midget Death Squad
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How many productive seasons did we have with him? That's the relevant question. Instead you pose a loaded one in which we won our ONLY Super Bowl with a 6'4" WR playing great and in his prime, a 6'1" WR that was limited by effective, a 5'9" WR that was strictly an underneath possession player and a 6'5" former first round TE.
That's balance, and there was only one <5'10" WR in our starting lineup
I still dont think the height of any of those receivers had anything to do it
This post was edited on 4/28/15 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 4/28/15 at 2:43 pm to Lester Earl
Hmm, I was just looking at the measurables. Kevin White and Dorsett's hand sizes are about the same.
Kevin White 9 1/4"
Phillip Dorsett 9 3/8"
On the other hand, A. Cooper has 10" hands.
Just found that interesting because Cooper is 2 inches taller than Dorsett and White is 4 inches taller.
Kevin White 9 1/4"
Phillip Dorsett 9 3/8"
On the other hand, A. Cooper has 10" hands.
Just found that interesting because Cooper is 2 inches taller than Dorsett and White is 4 inches taller.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 2:48 pm to Chad504boy
Game of inches
Posted on 4/28/15 at 2:51 pm to Suntiger
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Hmm, I was just looking at the measurables. Kevin White and Dorsett's hand sizes are about the same.
Kevin White 9 1/4"
Phillip Dorsett 9 3/8"
On the other hand, A. Cooper has 10" hands.
Just found that interesting because Cooper is 2 inches taller than Dorsett and White is 4 inches taller.
That is interesting.
The height thing really only comes in to play in Goal line instances if you think about it. And Colston, Hill and Watson are more than capable of handling that.
If you have a 5'10' WR that runs a 4.2 against a CB that runs a 4.5 who wins? The guy that gets the separation correct?
I really don't think 4 inches is going to make a difference (That's not what she said) in open field instances.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 2:52 pm to Chad504boy
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Exactly!
Posted on 4/28/15 at 3:02 pm to Meateye
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The height thing really only comes in to play in Goal line instances if you think about it
that's simply isn't true. It plays across the entire field. If you have only small shifty players, then defenses will gameplan to that and eliminate their threat. Same thing if you have all big ones. You absolutely have to have a balance on the field in order to exploit all areas of the field to your advantage.
I think you are mistaking everyone's point here. Nobody is saying small WRs are worthless and have no place. We are saying that you can't have strictly small WRs comprising your starting lineup. Size is absolutely important and it plays a huge role when fighting for position of the ball, manning up against the bigger Safeties and LBs, blocking along with many other facets. If we are missing that factor, which we clearly are currently, then we are limiting our offense.
Right now our WR core is Brandin Cooks and all the rest. Parker and Strong would come in here and be immediate starters at the 3rd WR position and most likely beat out Colston for the 2nd. Colston just isn't very good anymore. He was a hindrance last year much more than he was ever an advantage. We need talent at the position badly, and we need an average to above average size player to bring that talent
Posted on 4/28/15 at 3:08 pm to Midget Death Squad
You're forgetting one thing........
Josh Hill 2015 Break Out Pain Train!!!!!
Josh Hill 2015 Break Out Pain Train!!!!!
This post was edited on 4/28/15 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 4/28/15 at 3:10 pm to Lester Earl
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But when someone doesn't actually have the accurate info and bashes me because "I called Cooks 5'9" all last season" is laughable. He might not be 5'9" exactly, but he surely isnt 5'10" either. I wasn't trying to justify anything, that is just what i call someone when i see 5096. 5'9". I'll make sure and put the exact measurement next time.
That's totally valid. You can call Cooks/Dorsett 5'9" or 5'10", they are 5'9" and change. They are all about the same size though. Practically speaking 0.5" in height will never make a substantial difference in evaluating players.
People have to accept that you rarely see 2 sub 6'0" WR's on the field, much less sub 5'10" WR's so Payton would have to be confident in his schemes if he were going to play those two guys together. He would have to believe that Cooks and Dorsett on the field together would get separation in ways our receivers did not last year. I hope we do not take Dorsett at #31 and not sure he will make it to #44. I could see the Eagles getting in front of us to take him.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 3:13 pm to Suntiger
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Hmm, I was just looking at the measurables. Kevin White and Dorsett's hand sizes are about the same.
Kevin White 9 1/4"
Phillip Dorsett 9 3/8"
On the other hand, A. Cooper has 10" hands.
Just found that interesting because Cooper is 2 inches taller than Dorsett and White is 4 inches taller.
And DGB at 6'5" has 9" hands.
Posted on 4/28/15 at 3:19 pm to Meateye
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The height thing really only comes in to play in Goal line instances if you think about it.
Whoa
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