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re: Clock Management on our last TD drive.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:20 am to STEVED00
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:20 am to STEVED00
You wouldn't think that a professional football player (running back) would have to be told not to go out of bounds in this situation. Obviously you still have to tell these guys this. I thought we should have ran more time off the clock while down inside the five yard line. Maybe leave about 20 seconds on the clock and try to punch it in by running two plays. I figure if we can't get five yards in two plays, we didn't deserve to win the game. We left way too much time on the clock after scoring.
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Posted on 9/9/14 at 1:33 am to STEVED00
The clock management argument is best if we were going for a FG. When going for a TD, all bets are off and its all about scoring.
shite happens, like the Brees redzone INT earlier in the game.
shite happens, like the Brees redzone INT earlier in the game.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 7:15 am to STEVED00
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It is not just hindsight
It is only hindsight. You know we scored, so now you want to change how we went about doing it.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 7:15 am to htran90
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The clock management argument is best if we were going for a FG. When going for a TD, all bets are off and its all about scoring.
shite happens, like the Brees redzone INT earlier in the game.
Ding ding ding.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:08 am to LNCHBOX
Exact same plays are run. Just that the two players could have made an effort stay in bounds. We would have been in the exact same spot on the field and the exact same down and distance EXCEPT Atl would have had to use their TOs.
Like I said, watch the NFLN review if Colston or Ingrsm had no way of staying in bounds then I am wrong.
Like I said, watch the NFLN review if Colston or Ingrsm had no way of staying in bounds then I am wrong.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:39 am to STEVED00
I really don't see how you don't understand that you are influenced by the hindsight knowledge that we scored.
Let's try this a different way. When we got the ball back down 4, if I told you that you will definitely score but leave time on the clock or you may not score but use up all the time, you're not going to take the definite go ahead score?
Let's try this a different way. When we got the ball back down 4, if I told you that you will definitely score but leave time on the clock or you may not score but use up all the time, you're not going to take the definite go ahead score?
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:06 am to LNCHBOX
I am not influenced bc we scored. It is just knowing the situation. Atl was going to stop the clock if we stayed in bounds with a TO.
Do you think Smith would have let the clock wind down and hope their defense would stop Brees w/o giving his offense time to score if need be? If even Atl stops us and got the ball back maintaing as much time as possible, they would still win bc they would have made us burn all of our TOs as they ran out the clock basically leaving us no time to score a TD if we got the ball back via a punt.
Do you think Smith would have let the clock wind down and hope their defense would stop Brees w/o giving his offense time to score if need be? If even Atl stops us and got the ball back maintaing as much time as possible, they would still win bc they would have made us burn all of our TOs as they ran out the clock basically leaving us no time to score a TD if we got the ball back via a punt.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 10:07 am
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:20 am to STEVED00
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Do you think Smith would have let the clock wind down and hope their defense would stop Brees w/o giving his offense time to score if need be?
If you told Smith he can have a field goal as time expires to tie or get a TD to go up 4 with a minute left, I guarantee you he takes the TD.
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If even Atl stops us and got the ball back maintaing as much time as possible, they would still win bc they would have made us burn all of our TOs as they ran out the clock basically leaving us no time to score a TD if we got the ball back via a punt.
You need to word this better because I see no way this relates to what happened Sunday.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:38 am to LNCHBOX
My point is that Atl was going to make sure they had time left on the clock. They were not going to just let the game come down to a goal line stand to win or lose the game w/o allowing their offense some time to answer and tie.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:40 am to LNCHBOX
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If you told Smith he can have a field goal as time expires to tie or get a TD to go up 4 with a minute left, I guarantee you he takes the TD.
I not saying put Smith in SP's shoes. I am saying Smith would have countered and called a TO if those guys stayed in bounds.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:14 pm to STEVED00
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My point is that Atl was going to make sure they had time left on the clock. They were not going to just let the game come down to a goal line stand to win or lose the game w/o allowing their offense some time to answer and tie.
Seriously, they're going to stop the offense from scoring the best they can. Why? Because that's what a defense does and they stop the offense from scoring.
You're hindsighting everything, that's like saying with 1:30 left and 0 timeouts for either team, we draw a passing play.
Result was a catch into the endzone for a TD, but there was also a defensive PI. In your mind, we take the defensive PI and drain the clock down and leave points off the board. Ain't gonna happen, case closed.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:22 pm to STEVED00
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The clock management argument is best if we were going for a FG. When going for a TD, all bets are off and its all about scoring. shite happens, like the Brees redzone INT earlier in the game.
This is correct, the priority is getting in the endzone. What if Brees hit a 71 yard touchdown pass on the first play, are you still mad that you scored too quickly?
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:24 pm to htran90
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Seriously, they're going to stop the offense from scoring the best they can. Why? Because that's what a defense does and they stop the offense from scoring.
What does this have to do with taking a TOs to stop the clock? The Saints were NOT going to run out of time. Atl needed to stop them on downs. As a contingency, Atl would be stupid not to take TO to save clock (hence them taking TOs after the PT play snd 1st Ingram run)
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:26 pm to NOLALGD
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Posted by NOLALGD quote: The clock management argument is best if we were going for a FG. When going for a TD, all bets are off and its all about scoring. shite happens, like the Brees redzone INT earlier in the game. This is correct, the priority is getting in the endzone. What if Brees hit a 71 yard touchdown pass on the first play, are you still mad that you scored too quickly?
Absolutely not.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:26 pm to STEVED00
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The Saints were NOT going to run out of time.
You don't know that in the moment. How do you not understand that?
How many people have to tell you you're working with hindsight before it sinks into that skull of yours?
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:30 pm to LNCHBOX
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You don't know that in the moment. How do you not understand that?
Atl would have taken TOs after the Colston and ingram run to save time as a contingency. Would u have questioned Smith if Colston stayed in bounds and he did not take a TO to stop clock? Atl media would have torn him to shreds.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:33 pm to STEVED00
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Atl would have taken TOs after the Colston and ingram run to save time as a contingency. Would u have questioned Smith if Colston stayed in bounds and he did not take a TO to stop clock? Atl media would have torn him to shreds.
You're missing the point. There is no guarantee we score. You don't get to assume the plays happen exactly the same if the runner stay in bounds. If you do that, you are using hindsight.
Everyone has gotten your "point," so hopefully now you will understand ours and let this thread die.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:35 pm to LNCHBOX
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You're missing the point. There is no guarantee we score. You don't get to assume the plays happen exactly the same if the runner stay in bounds. If you do that, you are using hindsight.
How? We call the exact same plays we did either way. I am not saying we should have run up the middle just to force a TO.
Okay. We can agree to disagree.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:36 pm to STEVED00
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How? We call the exact same plays we did either way
You're clearly too stupid to get it. Good day.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:42 pm to LNCHBOX
I guess i dont ger how at the exact same point on the field, the exact same down and distance, and the exact same time on the clock would have changed how we would of changed our approach to try to score. Hell SP probably called the Ingram run thinking it would force Atl to take a TO but he ended running out of bounds.
I mean anything could have happened. I am just saying our probability of winning would have been better if we had forced Atl to use their TOs. Staying in bounds would not have affected our down and distance so the probability of scoring would have been the same but the probability of Atl scoring after we scored would have been drastically lower .
I mean anything could have happened. I am just saying our probability of winning would have been better if we had forced Atl to use their TOs. Staying in bounds would not have affected our down and distance so the probability of scoring would have been the same but the probability of Atl scoring after we scored would have been drastically lower .
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 3:09 pm
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