re: Brees contract thoughts...

You just gonna pretend Brees didn't handcuff us in 2012 by comparison?

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You just gonna pretend Brees didn't handcuff us in 2012 by comparison?

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The pats had a lot less high contract players that were hard to get rid of compared to us.

It was more a circumstance of retaining players in the couple of years following the super bowl and then having to pay Brees. It also didn't help that we signed Grubbs, Lofton, Hawthorne, and someone I'm forgetting to mid to large contracts the same year we franchised Brees.

Acting like this was all Brees is being short sighted.

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The numbers just suggest he he is out for no.1

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The facts from your link show Brady has been paid more since 2010, and that somehow suggests to you that he's looking out for the Pats.

I just don't get it.

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I think most businesses would choose a smooth slope over peaks and valleys

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I think it's impossible to say that as a blanket statement. Matter of fact, the Saints restructured Brees's contract in 2015 to specifically add more peaks and valleys, if you will. They did the exact opposite of what your quote said companies choose to do, fwiw.

And regardless, you can't say Brees is looking out for himself and Brady his team when Brady has made more money the last 6 seasons, that's just illogical.

He def has the leverage. But it's bullshite he is playing that card. He made his money last contract. If he wasn't such a greedy frick he would already be signed. Saints are willing to pay him but he wants it all. Kinda telling how Tom Brady and the Patriots get their deal done so easily without any conflict compared to the Saints and Brees. It's quite obvious Drew is in this for himself. But don't dare say that in front of any Saints Fan because you will be labeled a traitor and troll. But the facts speak for themselves

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He made his money last contract.

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Its a business that he will be out of very soon, wouldn't you optimize your earnings? A lot of players make their money on the 2nd big contract, but a lot also make a lot on their 3rd one as well.

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If he wasn't such a greedy frick he would already be signed.

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How much would make you happy? You want to keep talking about he's a greedy frick, but how much do you want to pay him?

Brady is older and just signed 2/41. Flacco makes 22.1mil. Rodgers makes 22mil. Wilson makes 21.9mil. Roethlisberger makes 21.85mil. Manning makes 21mil. Newton makes 20.76mil. Ryan makes 20.75mil. Brady makes 20.5mil. Brees makes 20.0mil at 10th.

Of the top 10 guys, the greedy arse is top 4 on the list: Rodgers-Roethlisberger-Brady-Brees and he makes the least. Other 6 make more than him.

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Saints are willing to pay him but he wants it all.

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speaking out of your arse, it could very well be the fact that he wants to play 4 more years and the organization doesn't want to pay him for 4, but rather 2 or 3.

Contracts take two to come to a conclusion, for all we know the Saints are the ones who are hard-balling Brees. Look at what the Jets are doing to Fitzpatrick.

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Kinda telling how Tom Brady and the Patriots get their deal done so easily without any conflict compared to the Saints and Brees.

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Brady's dealings and Brees' dealings aren't so "easy to navigate" when comparing them side to side. You have to think, Brady thinks he might be able to play til 42 at a high level. Brees may be able to as well, but that means a 4 year extension. Say he wants it, but Saints organization only wants to give him 2. Not so easy to compare when I'm sure Brady/Pats are sure Brady is done after this extension. Do I wish it was done ASAP, yeah, but at the same time not everyone is in the same boat.

what I don't get with everyone shitting on his contract, has he not been earnign what we have been paying him? sure our success has not be great overall, but has he had such a major decline in his play that warrants these discussions? I mean ever this past year he had a great statistical year.

i can promise you all this - without paying the man and letting him walk, we wouldn't win 1/2 what we did last year with the current backups/FA/Draft QB prospects.

you can say McCown would be great stepping in - but i counter that if he was so good, why hasn't he been a successful starter anywhere else - much less draw interest?

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If he wasn't such a greedy frick he would already be signed

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Well, he is signed. If you mean restructure, I have a question. When did the Saints contact Brees about restructuring, how long ago? And what was their offer?

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Saints are willing to pay him but he wants it all.

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Can you elaborate on this, with the actual numbers and links?

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Kinda telling how Tom Brady and the Patriots get their deal done so easily without any conflict compared to the Saints and Brees. It's quite obvious Drew is in this for himself.

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The same Brees who has made less money from 2010-2016 than Brady? Brady makes more money but it's obvious that Drew is the one in it for himself, how does that make sense?

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But the facts speak for themselves

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I've asked above for a few facts, please share the links to prove what you're saying are actually facts, and not your random thoughts that you really can't prove.

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what I don't get with everyone shitting on his contract, has he not been earnign what we have been paying him?

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Not only that, to take it a step further, the only reason we're in this hole where his cap hit is $30mil for 2016 is because of Brees being willing to restructure last season to give us more room for 2015.