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re: Attorney for Hayes says he wasn't the aggressor! w/vid and shocking claims
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:14 am to csorre1
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:14 am to csorre1
Isn't Hayes a convicted felon? Is so then he can't possess a firearm legally. How can he claim self defense by using a item he is legally barred from possessing in the first place?
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:21 am to csorre1
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Im not saying he is going to win the case based on this... just saying that if he does he wont be sued in civil court. My concealed carry instructor who works for the DA says the opposite and cites several cases as examples. We spent an hour talking about it.
Was he talking about the white that shot the black guy that was attacking the cop in br?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:28 am to Lester Earl
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There is a red light there. He was stopping at the light
The video showed "Juan's Flying Burrito" which is in the middle of the block on Magazine Street. I know because I walk from my cousin's house near Coliseum Square and eat there enough to know exact location.
There is a traffic light but it is further up the block at the corner of St. Andrew and Sophie Wright.
The Hummer was not at this (or any other) traffic light.
Video clearly shows the Hummer stopped short.
Look at the google map to see where the video took place. I used Juan's business address as the pinpoint location.
Juan's Flying Burrito is located at 2018 Magazine Street
Street map view of same location pinpointing Juan's location.
Next time you troll, please know what you're talking about before your fingers click on the keyboard.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:37 am to diat150
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Was he talking about the white that shot the black guy that was attacking the cop in br?
Your description is pretty vague so I'm going to say no.
One example was the BR man who killed the foreign exchange student in the 90s. He wasn't convicted, but was sued knto oblivion in civil court by the student's family, friends, and the country of Japan.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:50 am to csorre1
The law was just passed during the blanco administration so your instructor needs to update his books.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:52 am to Red Stick Tigress
The light os 130 feet up the road. That is a good distance but that doesnt excuse smith from hitting him. Any number of reasons could have caused him to brake.
If smith would have stayed at the scene he would have been in the wrong, no doubt.
If smith would have stayed at the scene he would have been in the wrong, no doubt.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:03 am to diat150
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If smith would have stayed at the scene he would have been in the wrong, no doubt.
And possibly still very much alive.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:11 am to Red Stick Tigress
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Next time you troll, please know what you're talking about before your fingers click on the keyboard.
the news station that put the video out, Fox 8, says there was a line of cars at the red light that was seen in other videos they obtained from businesses.
You are so stupid to even post a street view where the actual traffic is backed up to Juans Flying burrito. Dumb bitch.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:19 am to Lester Earl
I posted that link ONLY to prove to you that there is no traffic light where the rear ending of the Hummer took place.
I know of no other website other than Google maps that shows street views of addresses. It's not my fault that the Google people didn't take a picture when the road was clear of cars.
You hide behind the computer screen and insult me and others all day long. I suppose it makes up for your tiny penis?
Your moving away from Metairie has really decreased your IQ.
I'll let you get back to your trolling.
I know of no other website other than Google maps that shows street views of addresses. It's not my fault that the Google people didn't take a picture when the road was clear of cars.
You hide behind the computer screen and insult me and others all day long. I suppose it makes up for your tiny penis?
Your moving away from Metairie has really decreased your IQ.
I'll let you get back to your trolling.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:26 am to Red Stick Tigress
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I posted that link ONLY to prove to you that there is no traffic light where the rear ending of the Hummer took place.
you posted a link that shows that cars stack up to the red light at that corner.
and you're shocked the Hayes' Hummer was stopping in this vicinity? When you can't even see if there is a car ahead of him? When in fact it has been reported by the news that you could see cars in front of him in other videos?
you have the nerve to call me names but then you are going to complain for me calling you a dumb bitch? ok lady. Something is mentally wrong with you. I feel sorry for you, actually.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:36 am to Lester Earl
Damn LE getting owned up in here.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:04 am to Red Stick Tigress
Your argument is dumb. Smith was following too close and rear ended the guy. He was in the wrong right there no matter the reason why hayes stopped. Not to mention he left the scene.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:46 am to diat150
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if he gets off on the criminal charge due to self defense, he wont be sued in civil court. I had this same argument with idiots on another saints forum with the trayvon case
That's not necessarily the truth. There is plenty of civil suits that come out after. See OJ Simpson.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:51 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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Isn't Hayes a convicted felon? Is so then he can't possess a firearm legally. How can he claim self defense by using a item he is legally barred from possessing in the first place?
Self defense is self defense. He could kill him with anything illegal and he would be guilty of a weapons charge, but self defense is self defense.
My only question would be, does illegally possessing a firearm invalidate Stand your Ground, which clearly states you can't be involved in "unlawful activity" (which is undefined in the statute) for it to apply. I don't know the case law regarding this, but I would certainly argue carrying a firearm illegally is unlawful activity. So would be intentionally rear-ending someone.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:53 am to diat150
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Smith was following too close and rear ended the guy. He was in the wrong right there no matter the reason why hayes stopped. Not to mention he left the scene.
while all of this is true, and certainly paints the situation a different way now, it still doesn't justify how Smith ends up dead... was Hayes threatened with violence by Smith? dunno, but seeing how Smith chickenshittedly pulled off when Hayes pulled over after the collision, i'm not so sure Smith was oh so innocent....
that being said, Smith should still be alive to tell his side the story, though...
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:58 am to chRxis
People focusing on whether Will rear-ended the guy are completely misguided and focusing on a way to make him the bad guy.
It is irrelevant.
The other facts we do know is that Hayes intentionally rear-ended Smith after that (which is also illegal but somehow left out of this equation by Hayes White Knighters), there was a confrontation, and Hayes shot Will Smith dead, while in his vehicle, and wounded his wife.
The 30 seconds leading up to the shooting are all that matter. The previous rear-end collision is completely and utterly irrelevant.
It is irrelevant.
The other facts we do know is that Hayes intentionally rear-ended Smith after that (which is also illegal but somehow left out of this equation by Hayes White Knighters), there was a confrontation, and Hayes shot Will Smith dead, while in his vehicle, and wounded his wife.
The 30 seconds leading up to the shooting are all that matter. The previous rear-end collision is completely and utterly irrelevant.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:10 am to Fun Bunch
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whether Will rear-ended the guy
there is no "whether" here... he did... it's clear as day....
i would be willing to bet good money that had Smith just pulled over after hitting Hayes, as Hayes was attempting to do, he'd still be alive... him running from the scene is what escalated the situation...
should it have ended in him being shot dead?? absolutely not, nor do i think Smith is the bad guy here, but the evidence is pretty clear that he didn't use the best judgement at the onset by fleeing the scene of the accident, and it could be argued he may have furthered that lack of judgement when the confrontation occurred...
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:20 am to Fun Bunch
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People focusing on whether Will rear-ended the guy are completely misguided and focusing on a way to make him the bad guy. It is irrelevant. The other facts we do know is that Hayes intentionally rear-ended Smith after that (which is also illegal but somehow left out of this equation by Hayes White Knighters), there was a confrontation, and Hayes shot Will Smith dead, while in his vehicle, and wounded his wife. The 30 seconds leading up to the shooting are all that matter. The previous rear-end collision is completely and utterly irrelevant.
and meanwhile you're doing the same thing by saying that will smith was sitting in his car when he was shot. His feet were on the ground. He was definitely outside of the car.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:24 am to chRxis
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there is no "whether" here... he did... it's clear as day....
it isn't clear as day. I see no contact.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:25 am to Keeble9145
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He was definitely outside of the car.
This is false.
We get you have a personal stake in this apparently because you know Hayes personally, but this isn't true.
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