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Attorney for Hayes says he wasn't the aggressor! w/vid and shocking claims
Posted on 4/10/16 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 4/10/16 at 7:28 pm
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Posted on 4/10/16 at 7:34 pm to NoHairDontCare
Woah.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 7:35 pm to NoHairDontCare
frick him and his attorney.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 7:35 pm to NoHairDontCare
Short of Will Smith having a gun and threatening to shoot, you don't fricking kill someone over an accident.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 7:36 pm to Giantkiller
I watched it. I feel that I need more information to formulate an opinion on what the lawyer said. I certainly don't feel that Hayes had reason to shoot Smith.
Edit: The lawyer's claim that there is 911 audio and eye witness accounts that would corroborate his story will be vetted.
Edit: The lawyer's claim that there is 911 audio and eye witness accounts that would corroborate his story will be vetted.
This post was edited on 4/10/16 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 4/10/16 at 7:37 pm to NoHairDontCare
Lawyer seemms pretty sharp. Guess we will see what happens.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 7:40 pm to NoHairDontCare
So let me get this right since I'm no lawyer and this is from the video:
Hayes was hit, whoever hit him ran off, he called 911 and tried to chase after said hit and run suspect.
Following that, he hits Will Smith, gets into a confrontation with Will Smith, and now shoots Will Smith to death?
ETA: and to say your client stayed at the scene of the crime so he cant be a bad guy is stupid AF
Hayes was hit, whoever hit him ran off, he called 911 and tried to chase after said hit and run suspect.
Following that, he hits Will Smith, gets into a confrontation with Will Smith, and now shoots Will Smith to death?
ETA: and to say your client stayed at the scene of the crime so he cant be a bad guy is stupid AF
This post was edited on 4/10/16 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 4/10/16 at 7:43 pm to htran90
Yes. A rear end accident gives you license to kill.
Also lawyer appears comfortable that will may have been drinking
Also lawyer appears comfortable that will may have been drinking
This post was edited on 4/10/16 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 4/10/16 at 7:45 pm to htran90
They lawyer didn't tell the shooter's side of the story of the actual shooting. It seemed like posturing to me.
In CCW class the instructor clearly explains that you do not have the right to fire a weapon at someone (self defense) unless you or someone with you are in imminent danger, and you cannot remove yourself from the situation. If they had a verbal altercation and Smith walked back to his vehicle, following him to his vehicle would be an example of being the aggressor and self defense would not be applicable. Hayes could have easily gotten back in his car or called 911 again.
In CCW class the instructor clearly explains that you do not have the right to fire a weapon at someone (self defense) unless you or someone with you are in imminent danger, and you cannot remove yourself from the situation. If they had a verbal altercation and Smith walked back to his vehicle, following him to his vehicle would be an example of being the aggressor and self defense would not be applicable. Hayes could have easily gotten back in his car or called 911 again.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 7:46 pm to csorre1
where is the link that Smith was walking back to his car and the guy chased after him?
Posted on 4/10/16 at 7:48 pm to csorre1
quote:
following him to his vehicle would be an example
example
Posted on 4/10/16 at 7:50 pm to csorre1
you insinuated that happened. You should change the wording if that isnt what you meant
Posted on 4/10/16 at 7:51 pm to htran90
quote:It's not stupid from the lawyer's standpoint, he probably doesn't have a whole lot to work with at the moment.
ETA: and to say your client stayed at the scene of the crime so he cant be a bad guy is stupid AF
Posted on 4/10/16 at 7:53 pm to Lester Earl
quote:From early reports, Smith was in the driver's seat and the wife in the passenger's seat when they were shot, was that confirmed?
where is the link that Smith was walking back to his car and the guy chased after him?
Posted on 4/10/16 at 7:56 pm to shel311
yea Smith was driving. You can see his body in the pics on NOLA.com slumped over the wheel
Posted on 4/10/16 at 7:57 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Gotcha.
yea Smith was driving. You can see his body in the pics on NOLA.com slumped over the wheel
Trying to think outside the box here, short of Smith having a weapon from in the car, I can't see many other examples that could legit count as self defense for the shooter.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 7:59 pm to shel311
Yea, that's all I can really think of. Unless he thought he was reaching for a gun.
But it being a "hit" makes even less sense. The eyewitness said he heard them arguing for what seemed like a minute or 2. If he wanted him dead he would have shot him and fled. Instead they argued, he ended up shooting Will, and he remained on the scene.
But it being a "hit" makes even less sense. The eyewitness said he heard them arguing for what seemed like a minute or 2. If he wanted him dead he would have shot him and fled. Instead they argued, he ended up shooting Will, and he remained on the scene.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 8:00 pm to NoHairDontCare
I'll be interested in Pierre Thomas' account of the incident.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 8:00 pm to Lester Earl
that lawyer also won't be on the case very long... so what does he care about what he says
quote:
Fuller said he will cease representing Cardell Hayes on Monday, when a hearing to determine the defendant's new counsel will be held. Fuller is to begin serving at least six months as a pro tem judge in Section D of Criminal District Court starting May 2 and is prevented from representing clients while serving on the bench.
"Obviously, I have to get off the case because, as you know, I start something new in May," Fuller said. "But he will have fine representation for the months I'm unavailable."
It is believed that private attorney Jay Daniels will serve as Hayes' lawyer, on behalf of John T. Fuller and Associates, until Fuller resumes practicing as an attorney.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 8:01 pm to htran90
Lawyer maked it sound like Hayes called 911 after shooting Will until the follow up question.
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