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re: "Atlanta Falcons. This is another juggernaut with no weaknesses."
Posted on 8/30/13 at 6:44 pm to Indfanfromcol
Posted on 8/30/13 at 6:44 pm to Indfanfromcol
You know what's funny?
We get better banter with Falcons fans on Saints Talk than we do on the MSB.
Let's keep it that way, gents.
We get better banter with Falcons fans on Saints Talk than we do on the MSB.
Let's keep it that way, gents.
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Posted on 8/30/13 at 6:47 pm to Patrick O Rly
Steven Jackson is 30 years old. Like almost every other power back of the last 40 years...his production will spiral downward, especially behind the biggest weakness of the falcons; their offensive line.
Posted on 8/30/13 at 6:53 pm to spike0311
Side note, my draft is in 7 minutes
Posted on 8/30/13 at 6:54 pm to Indfanfromcol
Word of advice, don't take Jackson. 
Posted on 8/30/13 at 7:07 pm to Indfanfromcol
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It is hard to consider a man on the decline when he just had his 8th straight season of 1000 yards rushing.
Read that sentence again. His 8th straight. Not many backs have done that, and he barely got over 1000 last year. Yes he on the decline. He can still be effective or he wouldn't be playing, but he's not the Steven Jackson of old.
Posted on 8/30/13 at 7:18 pm to Patrick O Rly
Steven Jackson has always had our number, regardless of how terrible or good his teams have been. I think that ends this year though. Dude looked pretty pitiful in preseason in all honesty and I don't see him doing very well behind that line either.
Posted on 8/30/13 at 7:24 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
I'm actually really confident about our run defense this year. I think the pass rush will be improved. I'm still worried about the back end of our secondary and the middle of the field.
Posted on 8/30/13 at 7:25 pm to Indfanfromcol
If we are using trends of past years as evidence of future production, this is undeniable trend that points to the demise of the Falcons in 2013:
NFC South division winners since realignment:
2002 Tampa Bay
2003 Carolina
2004 Atlanta
2005 Carolina
2006 New Orleans
2007 Tampa Bay
2008 Carolina
2009 New Orleans
2010 Atlanta
2011 New Orleans
2012 Atlanta
Not one single back-to-back winner...
...and that includes a 2009 Saints team that actually won a Super Bowl and was projected to re-win the South in 2010 after adding to their championship roster with free agents & rookies.
NFC South division winners since realignment:
2002 Tampa Bay
2003 Carolina
2004 Atlanta
2005 Carolina
2006 New Orleans
2007 Tampa Bay
2008 Carolina
2009 New Orleans
2010 Atlanta
2011 New Orleans
2012 Atlanta
Not one single back-to-back winner...
...and that includes a 2009 Saints team that actually won a Super Bowl and was projected to re-win the South in 2010 after adding to their championship roster with free agents & rookies.
Posted on 8/30/13 at 7:32 pm to LSUFreek
Steven Jackson has 2,395 career rushing attempts. That puts him 25th all time and the leader among active RB's by over 400 attempts. Sometimes it's not the years...its the mileage.
Posted on 8/30/13 at 8:05 pm to LSUFreek
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The Falcons are going 6-10. You heard it here first.
We just have to agree to disagree! That being said, I've said since week 2 of preseason that they Falcons will go 10-6 and won't have as good of a season. I don't think we can win a Super Bowl with that Oline and without studs developing on the Dline AND Trufant learning quickly.
I do love your gifs though!
ETA: If I'm right, can I get a free photoshop tutorial? And you have to do it in person. AND you have to do it wearing a Falcons shirt?!
This post was edited on 8/30/13 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 8/30/13 at 8:22 pm to DoubleDown
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Payton was good for maybe 1 win... maybe 2.
Ill have to disagree on this point. With Payton they almost certainly win vs. the Chiefs and Packers. And probably win vs. the redskins, panthers, and falcons.
I would say that he would have added 3-4 wins to put us at 10-11 wins.
Posted on 8/30/13 at 8:45 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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Steven Jackson has always had our number, regardless of how terrible or good his teams have been. I think that ends this year though. Dude looked pretty pitiful in preseason in all honesty and I don't see him doing very well behind that line either.
I've actually been saying at work to be wary of Jackson this season. The Rams Oline was actually one of their few bright spots(for run blocking at least).
The Falcons last year were obviously worse at run blocking than the year before. You can say all you want about it being Turner's fault, but the truth is more fault was on the Oline than on Turner.
And since the Oline seems to have regressed more I don't take that as a good sign for Jackson in the run game. I do think that makes him more useful as a receiving back because they may have to dump off a lot more passes.
And if we are talking mileage go compare Turner and Jackson side by side. Jackson is a mere year and a half younger but has 756 more rush attempts(at least 2 seasons worth) and actually has a lower career ypc(4.2 vs. Turner's 4.5).
He has also taken a bunch more hits from catching the ball(407 to only 70). Take it from a guy whose had Jackson in fantasy the last 2 years, age is catching up(and he had 2 other seasons where he missed 4 games each). He has been getting hurt in games(though he missed only one whole game) and him going out in the first or second quarter of a couple of games and not returning has cost me. His attempts has also been falling sharply the last two seasons.
Overall I think at best Jackson is a side step in the run game but he will bring a receiving threat that Turner never did.
And I'll apply this to Umenyiora too, except I think he's actually a downgrade from Abraham. Biermann looks to be improving though so there's that. And the DTs actually look like they may be able to finally step up.
Posted on 8/30/13 at 10:49 pm to bonethug0108
Alright, I wholeheartedly disagree on the SG vs. MT debate. Time will quickly tell if I'm right or wrong but just simply look at SG vs. MT. Turner had recently gotten a dui and rumor around ATL was a lot like Abe, they liked the booze more than they like to practice and work. Now simply look at ST. They're completely different types of running backs (not just physical in stature). SJ can actually run away from people (even with a bad Oline). MT hasn't run away from anyone since his Northern Illinois days in the early 2000's.
Again, like the LSUFreek debate, I just simply disagree. I'll call ATL out where they suck and discuss but this isn't even a topic you guys will come close to winning. SJ vs. MT, seriously?
Again, like the LSUFreek debate, I just simply disagree. I'll call ATL out where they suck and discuss but this isn't even a topic you guys will come close to winning. SJ vs. MT, seriously?
Posted on 8/30/13 at 10:56 pm to motorbreath
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Ill have to disagree on this point. With Payton they almost certainly win vs. the Chiefs and Packers. And probably win vs. the redskins, panthers, and falcons.
How can you actually make this statement? What scientific/logical proof do you have to back this up? I could easily argue that if the ball bounces one way or another during a game, Team A could win vs. Team B. That's why the play the game...
Posted on 8/30/13 at 11:01 pm to DoubleDown
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That's why the play the game...
Formalities.
Saints have got this season in the bag.
Deal, brah.
Posted on 8/30/13 at 11:02 pm to DoubleDown
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SG
quote:
ST
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SJ
okie dokie...
Posted on 8/30/13 at 11:02 pm to LSUFreek
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Not one single back-to-back winner...
yeah, for a while there I think the team that finished last ended up winning the division the next year.
obviously not the last few years as it has turned into a back and forth with New Orleans and Atlanta. I still feel like the NFC South is one of the toughest divisions in football. Ever since the realignment I think the NFC South has a case for being the toughest.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 8:23 am to DoubleDown
You don't think Payton would make up for a 1 point loss to the packers and an OT loss to the chiefs? Those would be W's, no doubt about it. And 1-2 of those other close games probably go the other way too. That's a very conservative estimate IMO. There's an outside chance that he could have even added up to 5 more wins. We all saw how much the Saints missed Payton last year. How it took them 4 games to get their wits about them and how the pressure mounted as the season went on. Payton would have been a world of difference. But that's all a moot point now. It's a new season, thank God. And I love how fans and media alike forget how good this team is after 1 season of mandated suckage.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:47 am to DoubleDown
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hat being said, I've said since week 2 of preseason that they Falcons will go 10-6 and won't have as good of a season.
I've been saying since the Mid-Summer that the winner of the South will be at best 11-5 and either the 3rd or 4th seed in the NFC...and still be a better team than the division champs of the North and East, despite what the seeds might say.
Our schedules are that tough this year.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:54 am to bonethug0108
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I've actually been saying at work to be wary of Jackson this season. The Rams Oline was actually one of their few bright spots(for run blocking at least).
The Falcons last year were obviously worse at run blocking than the year before. You can say all you want about it being Turner's fault, but the truth is more fault was on the Oline than on Turner.
Here are some metrics to support your O-Line statement:
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The Rams ranked 14th in adjusted line yards, while the Falcons were 24th.
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