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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:28 pm to htran90
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:28 pm to htran90
And, I just want to say that more times than not the offense and Drew Brees are the reasons we are winning games.
I can't tell you how bubbly my guts and how puckered my booty gets when the defense has to go out there with under 2 minutes and hold a lead.
I'd much rather the Saints offense have to come back from down two points with two timeouts and two minutes left.
I can't tell you how bubbly my guts and how puckered my booty gets when the defense has to go out there with under 2 minutes and hold a lead.
I'd much rather the Saints offense have to come back from down two points with two timeouts and two minutes left.
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Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:29 pm to The Sad Banana
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My problem is that if the defense is playing like that for the majority of the game, why are they not finishing the game like that? It makes no sense.
I'm not saying it's all their fault either. We're on the same page here. But you just know as soon as the Saints scored and there was 1:52 left on the clock that the 49'ers were going to somehow get into field goal range. On 4th and 10 nonetheless.
And that game against Detroit was mostly the defense too. A 13 point lead with, what, 4 minutes left and you LOSE?!
The way I see it, you can't point a single finger at a loss. Just like you can't point a single finger for a win. Its a team game, one defensive frick up doesn't equate to 2 frickups from Brees and a 3rd that sealed the loss.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:31 pm to The Sad Banana
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My problem is that if the defense is playing like that for the majority of the game, why are they not finishing the game like that? It makes no sense.
Because at some point they will frick up. At some point an NFL caliber superbowl contender better record San Fran team will score points. It's going to happen.
The defense did its best in horrible positions in the First half.
The defense held them to 1 field goal in the second half.
The defense held them to no points in overtime on a huge play to get our offense back on the field only to have our offense hand the game over to San Fran.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:32 pm to Breesus
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Under Payton, the offense has to carry the tea. It is how the team is built, it is how the money is allocated, and it is how we win.
That doesn't mean the D gets to blow every close lead though.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:35 pm to The Sad Banana
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There's really nothing else you can say except "That's typical Saints 2014 football." It's frustrating.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:36 pm to The Sad Banana
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And, I just want to say that more times than not the offense and Drew Brees are the reasons we are winning games.
I fail to see how this factors into our discussion about this specific game and set of circumstances in the least bit.
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I'd much rather the Saints offense have to come back from down two points with two timeouts and two minutes left.
It's fricked up when the offense digs us in a hole, the defense keeps the other offense at bay long enough for us to get back in, then the offense loses us the game and the defense gets the blame.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:37 pm to saintsfan22
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That doesn't mean the D gets to blow every close lead though.
At some point an NFL caliber superbowl contender better record San Fran team will score points. It's going to happen.
The defense did its best in horrible positions in the First half. Including Brees basically throwing them a touchdown.
The defense held them to 1 field goal in the second half.
The defense held them to no points in overtime on a huge play to get our offense back on the field only to have our offense hand the game over to San Fran.
The offense gave them a minimum of 10 and took from us a minimum of 3 thanks to stupid decisions and horrible management.
Had they not made just one of the 4 crucial unforgivably horrible mistakes they made, then that blown coverage play wouldn't have mattered anyway.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:38 pm to saintsfan22
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That doesn't mean the D gets to blow every close lead though.
When Brees stops trying to impersonate Favre, I'll tell the defense to stop playing like dipshits to end a game.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:38 pm to Breesus
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At some point an NFL caliber superbowl contender better record San Fran team will score points. It's going to happen.
This issue isn't limited to this game.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:41 pm to saintsfan22
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This issue isn't limited to this game.
Yes it is. San Fran is not some dipshit team like the dolphins.
They have a good offense, they have a solid QB, they have some weapons, they have been the the championship, their offense is experienced.
When you are playing that team, which we did yesterday, you cannot spot them 10-13 points and them blame the defense for not winning.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:42 pm to Breesus
Our defense blowing a late lead on the final drive is not limited to yesterday.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:46 pm to saintsfan22
What's your point?
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:46 pm to Breesus
You're not wrong in placing blame on Brees, but you're cherry picking. Brees threw some picks, but at the same time he led the team to a lead at the end of the game and he's done that in four of the five losses this year.
There is no way I'm letting Brees slide for his mistakes. But the defense has been the letdown. Drew Brees isn't throwing INT's in the final two minutes, he's moving the team down the field. The defense is inept in those situations and it's been occurring time and time again this year in the same situation time in and time out.
There is no way I'm letting Brees slide for his mistakes. But the defense has been the letdown. Drew Brees isn't throwing INT's in the final two minutes, he's moving the team down the field. The defense is inept in those situations and it's been occurring time and time again this year in the same situation time in and time out.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:48 pm to Breesus
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What's your point?
If we've got a lead with 2-3 mins left let's stop doing that.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:52 pm to The Sad Banana
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Drew Brees isn't throwing INT's in the final two minutes
The damage is already done. If he hadn't thrown 10 points to the other team, then they couldve scored on that last play and we still win the game.
A football game is not 20 seconds. It is not one play or one drive. It is 60 minutes and it is made up of every play. Looking at the totality of the circumstances, the offense lost us that game.
And i am in agreement with you. I am not letting the defense slide for their mistake. It was a blown coverage.
And if you want to go with this argument:
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Drew Brees isn't throwing INT's in the final two minutes,
The defense isnt letting them score in OT. They're stopping them and putting the offense on the field. The offense is the one that lost us that game in OT.
If you're going to cherry pick a play or two to rest the game on, I'm surprised no one brings up the fumble in our own territory to give San Fran the go ahead field goal win.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:54 pm to saintsfan22
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If we've got a lead with 2-3 mins left let's stop doing that.
How about we stop throwing the other team a bunch of points early and just dominate games like we used to.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:58 pm to Breesus
Ding.
If Brees threw two picks like he did vs. SF, but vs. GB, we would have lost.
Turnovers against any opponent hurts, plain and simple. It takes away potential points from your team and gives the opponents another chance to put points on you.
We played a clean game vs. GB, we won decisively without needing a last second stop. We played a dirty game vs. SF and we lost.
If Brees threw two picks like he did vs. SF, but vs. GB, we would have lost.
Turnovers against any opponent hurts, plain and simple. It takes away potential points from your team and gives the opponents another chance to put points on you.
We played a clean game vs. GB, we won decisively without needing a last second stop. We played a dirty game vs. SF and we lost.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:01 pm to htran90
I figured that the Niners would be pissed off after their game last week.
Win the next 2 and we'll all forget about this game.
Win the next 2 and we'll all forget about this game.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:01 pm to htran90
I'm not saying you guys are wrong. But the team had late leads...like, last few minute leads...in four of the five losses.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:09 pm to The Sad Banana
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I'm not saying you guys are wrong. But the team had late leads...like, last few minute leads...in four of the five losses.
and in 2 of those losses, Brees threw some of the most WTF worthy INTs to start the game as well (Cleveland/SF).
Brees almost threw away the TB game as well. It all points to the pressure allowed from the OL.
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