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Posted on 11/10/14 at 12:56 pm to Breesus
quote:The cornerback position is a train wreck outside of Keenan Allen. His knee was the size of a water balloon and they still kept trying to get him into the game. A rookie free agent is dressing ahead of a second round draft pick. It's a mess, man.
The defense is more than good enough to maintain and manage games.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 12:58 pm to The Sad Banana
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The cornerback position is a train wreck outside of Keenan Allen. His knee was the size of a water balloon and they still kept trying to get him into the game. A rookie free agent is dressing ahead of a second round draft pick. It's a mess, man.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 12:59 pm to Breesus
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Brees and Payton put them in situations this year where the defense has to win the game because the offense already threw it away. That's bullshite. It's not the way this team should play, and you dumb fricks refuse to acknowledge or admit it.
Exactly, everything about the "Sean Payton and Drew Brees" era has screamed is the offense is going to carry this team. With a competent defense, we can win it all.
The Defense is put in a difficult bind when you turn the ball over 3 times. Sorry, but they shut out the 49ers in the 2nd half til ONE blown coverage on 4th and 10 which led to a FG resulting in a tie into OT. Then, offense comes out and passes it a billion times instead of sticking to the run game, defense makes a stop, and then the offense turns it over in our territory, in OT again. Loss #2 in OT this year by a fumble.
Great. fricking. Job. Offense.
Get Brees a damn OL and we will be fine with this defense we have. SF produced 330 yards, Kaep was sacked 4 times/fumbled once, and held Frank Gore to 3.5ypc.
In what way did the defense cost us that game? Because they gave up ONE big play? Lets ignore the fact that we turned the ball over 3 times, 2 being the DUMBEST decisions ever, one which indirectly took away at least 3 points because we wanted to rush and not call a damned time out, and the other one led to an easy walk in touchdown for SF.
Offense costed us this one, just like how they almost costed us against TB and costed us against Cleveland and Detroit. Complain and whine all you guys want, this is the offense's fault and until we get a better line for Brees to have time instead of rushing, its going to happen again.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:01 pm to Chad504boy
I have ALWAYS...I mean ALWAYS called Keenan Lewis "Keenan Allen". I have no clue why. Maybe I'm dumb.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:04 pm to The Sad Banana
I think you just want Dennis Allen back.
The defense has held their last 4 opponents to a combined 1396 yards (349.0ypg - which would rank 15th), allowed a combined 84 points (21ppg - which would rank 9th), sacked the QB 15 times (3.75 sacks/game - which would extrapolate to 60 sacks over a year), recovered 3 fumbles, and picked off the QBs 5 times (1.25INT/game)
But we're 2-2.
Why? Because our offense has also played sloppy and allowed 9 sacks, fumbled 4 times, and threw 4 picks. Which is 8 turnovers to match the defenses' 8 turnovers.
We played complete games vs. GB and Carolian, but gave away the game vs. SF/Detroit because of bad INTs that should not have been thrown.
The defense has held their last 4 opponents to a combined 1396 yards (349.0ypg - which would rank 15th), allowed a combined 84 points (21ppg - which would rank 9th), sacked the QB 15 times (3.75 sacks/game - which would extrapolate to 60 sacks over a year), recovered 3 fumbles, and picked off the QBs 5 times (1.25INT/game)
But we're 2-2.
Why? Because our offense has also played sloppy and allowed 9 sacks, fumbled 4 times, and threw 4 picks. Which is 8 turnovers to match the defenses' 8 turnovers.
We played complete games vs. GB and Carolian, but gave away the game vs. SF/Detroit because of bad INTs that should not have been thrown.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:05 pm to The Sad Banana
I do think there's some merit to the secondary coach discussion.
I mean, what the frick is going on?
I mean, what the frick is going on?
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:09 pm to htran90
I'll counter that with how many of those games were we up late in the fourth quarter? Cleveland, Detroit, yesterday against San Francisco and I'm not sure on Atlanta...but I think the Saints were leading before Atlanta came back.
It's all because of the defense not holding the lead. There is no pressure and the CB's are always several yards away from a receiver or there's some aneurysm inducing breakdown in coverage that blows the thing wide open.
You have a point with the offense's sloppiness. There were ample opportunities to put points up yesterday and they couldn't. The INT into triple coverage before the half is one example.
It's all because of the defense not holding the lead. There is no pressure and the CB's are always several yards away from a receiver or there's some aneurysm inducing breakdown in coverage that blows the thing wide open.
You have a point with the offense's sloppiness. There were ample opportunities to put points up yesterday and they couldn't. The INT into triple coverage before the half is one example.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:10 pm to htran90
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The defense has held their last 4 opponents to a combined 1396 yards (349.0ypg - which would rank 15th), allowed a combined 84 points (21ppg - which would rank 9th), sacked the QB 15 times (3.75 sacks/game - which would extrapolate to 60 sacks over a year), recovered 3 fumbles, and picked off the QBs 5 times (1.25INT/game)
But we're 2-2.
And in those 2 losses the D blew the lead.
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but gave away the game vs. SF/Detroit because of bad INTs that should not have been thrown.
BS. Saints took the lead after Drew's crappy INTs yesterday. White and Vaccaro blew both games especially Detroit.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:17 pm to The Sad Banana
I'll argue back that although we had the lead, these games weren't won or lost on a single drive or a single play.
You can blame the defense for giving up a 50 yarder, because it did happen. But if we didn't shoot ourselves in the foot, it wouldn't have come down to one single play. Brees had 3 turnovers by himself vs. SF, that's on the offense and him. Before that play, the defense held SF to <300 yards of offense, even with 2 "WTF" picks.
I'll give fair share of blame to Corey White and his stupid play that gave detroit a 76(?) yard TD, but Brees threw a ridiculous INT that allowed Detroit a freebie to win it. Brees was at fault for 3/4 of Cleveland before the defense folded on the last drive. Brees almost costed us vs. TB.
You can't expect a defense to hold on forever. It wasn't solely the defense's fault last year vs. NE, and its not solely their fault vs. SF. You can only hold an opponent that can score for only so long. Offense has to score and secure the ball, defense has to make plays and casue turnovers. Defense did both yesterday for 99.9% of the game, offense didn't.
You can blame the defense for giving up a 50 yarder, because it did happen. But if we didn't shoot ourselves in the foot, it wouldn't have come down to one single play. Brees had 3 turnovers by himself vs. SF, that's on the offense and him. Before that play, the defense held SF to <300 yards of offense, even with 2 "WTF" picks.
I'll give fair share of blame to Corey White and his stupid play that gave detroit a 76(?) yard TD, but Brees threw a ridiculous INT that allowed Detroit a freebie to win it. Brees was at fault for 3/4 of Cleveland before the defense folded on the last drive. Brees almost costed us vs. TB.
You can't expect a defense to hold on forever. It wasn't solely the defense's fault last year vs. NE, and its not solely their fault vs. SF. You can only hold an opponent that can score for only so long. Offense has to score and secure the ball, defense has to make plays and casue turnovers. Defense did both yesterday for 99.9% of the game, offense didn't.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:19 pm to saintsfan22
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BS. Saints took the lead after Drew's crappy INTs yesterday. White and Vaccaro blew both games especially Detroit.
Because one blown play costed us the game, not the untimely turnovers.
3 turnovers for the offense yesterday. 1 gave SF an easy 7, the other costed us 3 or 7 points, and the last one gave SF the win.
You can argue that White and Vaccaro played like idiots on that last drive, and I'll agree. But shoving majority of the blame on them for a loss is ludicrous when its the offense's fault for putting us in a last second bind in the first place. 3 points allowed in the 2nd half (not including OT). That is what allowed us to be in this game still.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:20 pm to htran90
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I'll give fair share of blame to Corey White and his stupid play that gave detroit a 76(?) yard TD, but Brees threw a ridiculous INT that allowed Detroit a freebie to win it
Corey White's frick up makes that INT relevant.
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You can't expect a defense to hold on forever
JUST HOLD ON THE LAST frickING DRIVE
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:21 pm to saintsfan22
Sometimes one wonders if this team is better off if Drew played corner and white played quarterback.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:22 pm to saintsfan22
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Corey White's frick up makes that INT relevant.
So its white's fault that led to Brees' INT that lost us the game, but it can't be the other way around?
Its not Brees' fault that his INTs made these games closer than it should have been?
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JUST HOLD ON THE LAST frickING DRIVE
Okay, stop throwing ridiculous INTs with 2 timeouts left or lobbing the ball up there for DBs to catch.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:23 pm to htran90
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htran90
I'm shocked someone finally agreed with me.
I was beginning to lose hope. I'm all about Sunshine pumping, but too much sunshine and you go blind. Some here have gone blind.
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The Defense is put in a difficult bind when you turn the ball over 3 times. Sorry, but they shut out the 49ers in the 2nd half til ONE blown coverage on 4th and 10 which led to a FG resulting in a tie into OT. Then, offense comes out and passes it a billion times instead of sticking to the run game, defense makes a stop, and then the offense turns it over in our territory, in OT again
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:23 pm to htran90
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Because one blown play costed us the game, not the untimely turnovers.
Without looking I'd imagine our odds of winning percentage going into that play was somewhere in the 90s.
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3 turnovers for the offense yesterday. 1 gave SF an easy 7, the other costed us 3 or 7 points, and the last one gave SF the win.
We don't get to the last TO without the 50 yard frickup.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:24 pm to htran90
My problem is that if the defense is playing like that for the majority of the game, why are they not finishing the game like that? It makes no sense.
I'm not saying it's all their fault either. We're on the same page here. But you just know as soon as the Saints scored and there was 1:52 left on the clock that the 49'ers were going to somehow get into field goal range. On 4th and 10 nonetheless.
And that game against Detroit was mostly the defense too. A 13 point lead with, what, 4 minutes left and you LOSE?!
I'm not saying it's all their fault either. We're on the same page here. But you just know as soon as the Saints scored and there was 1:52 left on the clock that the 49'ers were going to somehow get into field goal range. On 4th and 10 nonetheless.
And that game against Detroit was mostly the defense too. A 13 point lead with, what, 4 minutes left and you LOSE?!
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:25 pm to htran90
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So its white's fault that led to Brees' INT that lost us the game, but it can't be the other way around?
Its not Brees' fault that his INTs made these games closer than it should have been?
That's definitely not the case in the Detroit game which is the particular White frickup I'm talking about.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:27 pm to saintsfan22
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Without looking I'd imagine our odds of winning percentage going into that play was somewhere in the 90s.
And our odds of winning going into the half was <50% I guarantee it.
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We don't get to the last TO without the 50 yard frickup.
We also don't have to worry about the defense fricking up if we didn't throw an INT to give them a free 7 points and another INT that took away 3 or 7 points from us going into the half.
See what I did there? You can't put the sole blame on a single last second play when the game is 60 minutes long. You sure can blame it on a myriad of issues throughout the game though. 2 turnovers, that gave them 7 points and took away at least 3 from us.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:28 pm to saintsfan22
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saintsfan22
The offense gave them a minimum of 10 and took from us a minimum of 3 thanks to stupid decisions and horrible management.
Had they not made just one of the 4 crucial unforgivably horrible mistakes they made, then that blown coverage play wouldn't have mattered anyway.
And that is the point.
The offense has to score more points to win. Under Payton, the offense has to carry the tea. It is how the team is built, it is how the money is allocated, and it is how we win. This year, the offense is scoring for both teams, and we can't win like that.
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