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re: Zach Lowe on Potential Summer Pels Trade

Posted on 4/4/15 at 9:30 am to
Posted by VOR
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Posted on 4/4/15 at 9:30 am to
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42


Is user registration locked on BBS?
Posted by 42
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 4/4/15 at 9:37 am to
Sort of. Livefyre has a separate registration, so just use that, and it works for other sites, too, so less burden for commenters.

You can degrade me here if you like, however.

Also, what do you like best at Kim Anh... I get my stuff in the East, but Pho Orchid seems better for bun for me. I am trying to justify the hype. Good, not best.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 4/4/15 at 9:50 am to
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You can degrade me here if you like, however.


Not my intent at all.

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Also, what do you like best at Kim Anh...


Honestly, I've never been believe it or not. Everyone says I need to try it though. I'm sort of a stick in the mud as far as traveling into Jefferson Parish very often.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61457 posts
Posted on 4/4/15 at 9:53 am to
Since VOR is too much of a baller to answer your question, did you know TD has a Food and Drink board? LINK / It's actually one of the more New Orleanian skewed boards on TD so they might have the answers you seek there.
Posted by 42
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 4/4/15 at 9:58 am to
Yeah. Snobby. Wrong.

This board with people who think they can photograph food?

This board has more cussing, so I stay here, basically.
Posted by 42
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 4/4/15 at 10:01 am to
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Not my intent at all.


Just breaking my balls for you, out of respect for my elders. Let me know if you need more info or just want to discuss.

I don't blame you on JP vietnamese. Anyway, go to the East.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 4/4/15 at 11:06 am to
I was referring to ATL and cgrand in this thread as smart people, but I agree that Demps draft sample size is small.

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the savings due to rookie scale remaining fixed, cap jumping is relatively small. There is little advantage to be taken.


I assume you're referring specifically to the Pels and not in general. That may be true short term for the Pels, but getting 3 or 4 years of production above contract value is worthwhile endeavor. It's not a necessity, but it is something I would be interested in this year and beyond as a team runner.

Year by year rookie salary increases are set until 2021 and will not match the cap spike increase. Of course that might change with a CBA renegotiation.

ETA: of course, you can find that same type of value outside the draft. The aforementioned Tucker, Beverly, and Pondexter are 3 guys who bring great value to their teams. Tucker and Beverly were not drafted by their current teams and were out of the NBA before finding a niche.
This post was edited on 4/4/15 at 11:11 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 4/4/15 at 11:12 am to
The sample size is definitely small, and I'm not saying we know he's bad, but he hasn't shown he's any good. The other types of moves he's made we saw some good after the same number of moves.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 4/4/15 at 11:17 am to
Right. It's not that he's bad, just not sure he's particularly good at it. It is more an art than anything else and its not solely on the GM. Player development from coaches, system fit, and the player himself all have just as big a role in the outcome.
Posted by 42
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 4/4/15 at 12:01 pm to
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I assume you're referring specifically to the Pels and not in general. That may be true short term for the Pels, but getting 3 or 4 years of production above contract value is worthwhile endeavor. It's not a necessity, but it is something I would be interested in this year and beyond as a team runner.


When a rookie scale contract benefits the team under the current CBA, the differential benefit were the cap higher is only a very slight improvement in comparison to the direct benefit due to the indentured servitude itself.

Generally, not just for the Pels, and this is less true for the few top picks that command high salary.
Posted by 42
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 4/4/15 at 12:09 pm to
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The sample size is definitely small, and I'm not saying we know he's bad, but he hasn't shown he's any good. The other types of moves he's made we saw some good after the same number of moves.


I think of Demps as Kurt Cobain in a world of many CC DeVilles that is accustomed to them.

He has not shown virtuosity in a flashy, high profile sort of way, like CC, and he hasn't been around enough. Cobain's solos were nothing flashy, so it was often said by the rock fans that he can't play. Well, he just didn't do it. That does not mean he can't. He had a plan, and it worked.

I'm not saying Demps will have a Cobain legacy; just poking at focus on the potential meaning of undisplayed virtuosity. It may exist or not, but the lack may not be important.

The team, the song matters, not the elements in isolation.

Demps has used musical analogy in describing his work, as an essentially useless aside.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 4/4/15 at 3:48 pm to
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When a rookie scale contract benefits the team under the current CBA, the differential benefit were the cap higher is only a very slight improvement in comparison to the direct benefit due to the indentured servitude itself.


Good point. It's not as big an advantage when you break it down by % of cap. And I love this sentence. Interesting way of putting rookie scale contracts; you opposed to them on that basis or just "a spade is a spade?"
Posted by 42
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 4/5/15 at 10:36 pm to
I am actually a supporter of them. They are not perfect, but they accomplish a number of things. The "Rose Rule" helped, for instance.

It is some dues paying from the player perspective.

I get annoyed with the blind, over-the-top, reactionary love for them.
Posted by patendedgmf
BR
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 12:59 am to
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Rivers is awful, but who would the Pels have realistically drafted after AD that is worth a crap? Dell wasn't going to take another PF. 2012 draft was terrible.
The Raptors were locked in on Terrence Ross, and were looking to move down a few spots, and pick up a 2nd to do so. We should have traded our 1st(10) and 2nd(40), which ended up being Darius Miller, to move up to 8, and take a sliding Andre Drummond. The Raptors knew Detroit wouldn't take Ross, they were in no danger of missing out on him. Our Doc slurping idiots did the Rivers' a favor, and took Austin instead. I'll never forgive them for it. AD23 and AD0.... could have been the original Noel and Embiid! ALWAYS TAKE THE BIGS!!! damnit.
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 1:05 am to
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We should have traded our 1st(10) and 2nd(40), which ended up being Darius Miller, to move up to 8, and take a sliding Andre Drummond.


It would've likely taken a bit more to get the 8th pick. That pick was 46th instead of 40 so that's a bit of a difference right there.

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could have been the original Noel and Embiid!


Crowning noel/embiid already

Pump the brakes
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 1:11 am
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 5:44 am to
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The Raptors knew Detroit wouldn't take Ross, they were in no danger of missing out on him.


How so?
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 7:15 am to
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I get annoyed with the blind, over-the-top, reactionary love for them


I sort of get annoyed with this. Discussion of this topic here, BSS, TBW always devolves to this straw man. I'm sure you encounter plenty of folks who act this way. I'm not sure why you entertain anyone who spouts off in that manner.

No one in this thread is professing blind, over-the-top, reactionary love for picks/rookie salaries. They are a common, often effective, way to squeeze the most out of limited cap resources. They are not the only way to do that and they aren't foolproof.

You like what Demps has done. I'm a bit more leery. Tomato tomahto. I can be wary and still recognize the roster has improved a great deal on his watch and that his moves have led to more on court success. Things are much more gray than we often like to pretend.
Posted by 42
Member since Apr 2012
3703 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:20 pm to
Trust me, I lob stuff at these claims and those who claim such things more and more.

I entertain it because in part people ask me my opinion, in part for my pleasure, and in part out of genuine concern for the collective.

As far as my fantasic tomato and your shoddy tomahto are concerned, both are valid understandings of what is going on. They have different predictions, and the future may never show us who is "right." Most likely, we are both wrong. However, contrary to semi-popular belief, I could not care less about being right about the particulars. I care about understanding how these guys think and what factors matter most in shaping the future.

I think I have a handle on what these guys are thinking in the large. Whether the river card (where y'at, jestah!) works out for him / them / us, we'll see.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:27 pm to
It sucks that we basically lost another year of evaluation. I'm honestly of the opinion that you make an incremental upgrade with the MLE and let wine age a bit.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61457 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:29 pm to
I don't know what to think of this team. With better health and an MLE addition do they jump into the crazy battle for the 2 seed (2-6 is a mess right now), or stay right where we are now, fighting for the last 2 spots with the Mavs and Thunder.
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