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re: Would you dump Eric Gordon for an expiring?
Posted on 10/31/14 at 2:22 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 10/31/14 at 2:22 pm to Fun Bunch
Alec Burks just got 4/$42 from Utah. LINK
He does contribute more non scoring stats than Gordon, but Gordon is a better scorer. If Burks can get 4/$42, is Gordon getting 4/$40 really that crazy?
He does contribute more non scoring stats than Gordon, but Gordon is a better scorer. If Burks can get 4/$42, is Gordon getting 4/$40 really that crazy?
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Posted on 10/31/14 at 2:26 pm to Fun Bunch
Hell yea I would
Posted on 10/31/14 at 2:28 pm to TigerinATL
That is probably the most confusing contract extension I have ever seen. 42 million for burks?!? 
Posted on 10/31/14 at 2:33 pm to EricGordonsKnees
quote:"But the cap is going to explode in a few years" is the excuse I keep reading for these overpays. I don't get how/why a larger cap should excuse bad deals. The better run teams still won't have deals like that on their books, regardless of where the cap is at.
That is probably the most confusing contract extension I have ever seen. 42 million for burks?!?
I don't get what Utah is doing. Max deal for Gordon Hayward. Huge deal for Burks. Huge deal for Favors. Kanter is probably getting big money. And they're still terrible.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 2:43 pm to eyeran
They're going all in on their young core but it's pretty clear that their young core is mediocre at best..
Posted on 10/31/14 at 3:02 pm to TigerinATL
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If Burks can get 4/$42, is Gordon getting 4/$40 really that crazy?
EG got $58M for 4. He's owed $14.9M this year and $15.5M next. So, yeah, Gordon getting that kind of money was crazy.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 3:10 pm to adono
I'm talking about 4/$40 on his next deal if he opts out. $40 million guaranteed might be enough to walk away from $15.
This post was edited on 10/31/14 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 10/31/14 at 3:24 pm to eyeran
4/42 isn't bad for Burks. It's what Holiday got in his extension and more than DeRozan got in his. Both moves were widely panned, now seen as good contracts. Through year's, he has put up similar, if not better numbers than either guy.
Burks is big, able to get into the paint, and finish at the rim. A lot to like. He continues to improve and he could get a bigger offer than that this summer from teams needing wing help and also flush with cash. Then it's another Hayward situation.
Favors was smart. A young, defensive big at $12M through 2018 is a good bet. I bet they let Kanter walk; he can't play with Favors and they have Gobert to back him up. They will be playoff dark horses next year and maybe better after that. They really need Exum or Burke to emerge as a star.
ETA: Klay at $17.5M makes Burks at $10 look a lot better.
Burks is big, able to get into the paint, and finish at the rim. A lot to like. He continues to improve and he could get a bigger offer than that this summer from teams needing wing help and also flush with cash. Then it's another Hayward situation.
Favors was smart. A young, defensive big at $12M through 2018 is a good bet. I bet they let Kanter walk; he can't play with Favors and they have Gobert to back him up. They will be playoff dark horses next year and maybe better after that. They really need Exum or Burke to emerge as a star.
ETA: Klay at $17.5M makes Burks at $10 look a lot better.
This post was edited on 10/31/14 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 10/31/14 at 5:14 pm to corndeaux
quote:I remember the Derozan contract getting panned. I don't remember much complaining about Holiday's though.
4/42 isn't bad for Burks. It's what Holiday got in his extension and more than DeRozan got in his. Both moves were widely panned, now seen as good contracts. Through year's, he has put up similar, if not better numbers than either guy.
quote:This is what i'm not buying with them. They're doing something similar to what we did, locking up young vets, except they don't have an Anthony Davis on the roster. That's a disaster in waiting. I'm skeptical about Exum
They will be playoff dark horses next year and maybe better after that. They really need Exum or Burke to emerge as a star.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 5:16 pm to corndeaux
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ETA: Klay at $17.5M makes Burks at $10 look a lot better.
dang...
warriors a going to be bumping the tax line unless they can dump lee
Draymond green, come on down!
Posted on 10/31/14 at 5:47 pm to cgrand
I would dump Gordon for a promising SF anytime. I cant imagine the guy is playing is heart out for NOLA with the amount of rumors he's been involved in......and no team wanting to give up players for him sure doesnt help either.
Shoot, I saw the other day on the Twittersphere a guy posted a screenshot of his Dynasty/Manager Mode for the Pels on NBA2K15, and the game itself wants EG gone!
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Shoot, I saw the other day on the Twittersphere a guy posted a screenshot of his Dynasty/Manager Mode for the Pels on NBA2K15, and the game itself wants EG gone!
Screenshot
Posted on 10/31/14 at 8:22 pm to TigerinATL
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I'm talking about 4/$40 on his next deal if he opts out. $40 million guaranteed might be enough to walk away from $15.
I knew something was wrong here. You're always on the mark.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 12:23 am to TigerinATL
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I know you don't want to let yourself believe it's possible, but it's possible.
He isn't opting out unless he averages 22+ ppg to fool some team into giving him a max.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 12:39 am to Broski
The only way he opts out is if the Pelicans extend him. That way he knows the money is guaranteed. Otherwise his agent will tell him to wait. The most obvious thing that might happen is he opts out, then the Pelicans sign and trade him (to a team Gordon chooses). But Gordon has the power. Opting out before he has a deal in hand would be foolish and the only team he can negotiate with is the Pelicans.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 7:59 am to eyeran
Yeah. I agree on the lacking a star part. They blew it by letting Jefferson and Milsap walk for nothing and by keeping Corbin around so long.
I'm intrigued by Exum, but he will need time.
I'm intrigued by Exum, but he will need time.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 8:14 am to Broski
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He isn't opting out unless he averages 22+ ppg to fool some team into giving him a max.
This isn't really true. If he can get multiple years at $10M, he may very well.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 8:16 am to brmark70816
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Otherwise his agent will tell him to wait.
Not really. His agent gets paid for signing deals.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 8:32 am to Galactic Inquisitor
If, a massive if, Gordon stays healthy for 70+ games and is productive (interested defense, good FG %s, etc) he just might opt out for 2 reasons.
1: Injury risk. Does he trust his body to hold up for one more season as an expiring contract while the Jody Meeks of the world are getting $7M/year?
2: Thinking about his 4th contract. He opts out, cashes in on a 3 or 4 year deal, he hits UFA again as a 29 or 30 year old player. If he remains productive, he can nab another 3 or 4 year deal for good money again.
1: Injury risk. Does he trust his body to hold up for one more season as an expiring contract while the Jody Meeks of the world are getting $7M/year?
2: Thinking about his 4th contract. He opts out, cashes in on a 3 or 4 year deal, he hits UFA again as a 29 or 30 year old player. If he remains productive, he can nab another 3 or 4 year deal for good money again.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 10:56 am to brmark70816
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Opting out before he has a deal in hand would be foolish and the only team he can negotiate with is the Pelicans.
His agent makes money on new deals, what is his motivation to wait a year? Especially when 2 of the bigger names in an already thin SG market are now off the list. And what few other big names are on it, Afflalo and Monta Ellis, are in situations where they probably will stay with their current team. His Agent will tell Gordon there is money out there for him and Gordon will believe it, just look at his seemingly ridiculous comments about his "tone setting role" with the Pelicans.
Gordon having a healthy and productive season is probably the most unlikely variable in the equation of things lining up to motivate him to opt out. The market will be ready for him if he's ready for it.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 12:25 pm to Fun Bunch
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Did he? I was at the game pretty close up and I didn't see any explosion.
he did. he exploded and rose up to block that shot. his acceleration and quickness was noticeably different to me.
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