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re: Why is Holiday at anything over $20 million so unpalatable?
Posted on 3/30/17 at 9:47 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 3/30/17 at 9:47 am to Fun Bunch
People were overreacting a bit to jrue's slump.
The league is much more guard driven now, and losing tyreke and buddy was a big deal. Before Crawford came in it was Jrue plus bench garbage play at PG-SF. Jrue was the front court and so he was having to guard the best and make up for everyone else sucking. Plus he was always guarded by the best. He had the shite end of the stick in every sense of the expression.
It's really easy to make someone look like shite when they are the only person you have to worry about covering in the front court, and half the personnel on your team changes with no practice time.
Recently Moore, Crawford, hill, etc. have played MUCH better. That makes it much easier for him especially now that he is playing off ball.
The league is much more guard driven now, and losing tyreke and buddy was a big deal. Before Crawford came in it was Jrue plus bench garbage play at PG-SF. Jrue was the front court and so he was having to guard the best and make up for everyone else sucking. Plus he was always guarded by the best. He had the shite end of the stick in every sense of the expression.
It's really easy to make someone look like shite when they are the only person you have to worry about covering in the front court, and half the personnel on your team changes with no practice time.
Recently Moore, Crawford, hill, etc. have played MUCH better. That makes it much easier for him especially now that he is playing off ball.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 9:51 am
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:03 am to CheeseTiger251
Management screwed up by not trading Holiday, Asik, Moore and Hill to the 76ers for expiring contracts and Okafor. This season was lost early. With the above move the Pelicans could have hit free agency with a lot of cap space and a either Cousins or Okafor to love for young talent. Thinking they could make the playoffs caused the cutting of a good support player and the chasing of the unattainable.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:03 am to CheeseTiger251
I am starting to like this idea of Jrue just sliding to SG full time, and a possible addition of Rubio to run PG.
Maybe pull a trade off with us getting Rubio and trading away Moore and Ajinca and throwing in a 2nd. (not sure if wolves are interested).
The starting 5 is very appealing. Should be stout defensively and when you have boogie and AD you have the offense. Need to find one more shooter to sign in FA to go with this(Tucker, Illyasova,Bogdonavic, Ingles) and move on from monti/dante.
PG-Rubio
SG-Holiday
SF-Hill
PF-AD
C-Boogie
PG-Frazier
SG-Crawford
SF-(Tucker, Illyasova,Bogdonavic, Ingles)
PF-Montie or Dante
C-Diallo
Maybe pull a trade off with us getting Rubio and trading away Moore and Ajinca and throwing in a 2nd. (not sure if wolves are interested).
The starting 5 is very appealing. Should be stout defensively and when you have boogie and AD you have the offense. Need to find one more shooter to sign in FA to go with this(Tucker, Illyasova,Bogdonavic, Ingles) and move on from monti/dante.
PG-Rubio
SG-Holiday
SF-Hill
PF-AD
C-Boogie
PG-Frazier
SG-Crawford
SF-(Tucker, Illyasova,Bogdonavic, Ingles)
PF-Montie or Dante
C-Diallo
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:26 am to LSU4ever2002
One thing I worry about with Holiday at SG is that he's just OK as a 3P shooter. That lineup you listed with Rubio they can completely play off of Rubio and Hill to clog up the paint on Cousins and AD. I wouldn't hate Rubio, but that seems like a team that should Grit and Grind, not Space and Pace. If Hill and Holiday are your starting wings and Gentry is the coach, you have to hope they can trade for Dragic. Even Bledsoe gives you some of the same spacing concerns as Rubio because he's not a good 3 point shooter either.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:33 am to LSU4ever2002
I'll never understand the love affair many have with Rubio. Dude was so over hyped when he first came over and hasn't lived up to half of that on the court. The same with Dante Exum. Would Rubio be an upgrade over Tim? yes. But he doesn't move the needle that much for anyone to desire him.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:37 am to TigerinATL
I don't think Rubio is the right fit if our 3 continues to be Solomon Hill.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:40 am to VA LSU fan
What?
What support player did they lose?
And how could they trade half their team away to the 76ers and also get Boogie?
None of this makes sense
What support player did they lose?
And how could they trade half their team away to the 76ers and also get Boogie?
None of this makes sense
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:54 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
I don't think Rubio is the right fit if our 3 continues to be Solomon Hill
I agree with that.
I like Rubio b/c he's a really good defender, and is a good facilitator. His shooting sucks. That's alright if he's the lone shitty shooter, but it's hard to facilitate when no one cares about your shooting, or the SF wide open in the corner either.
Bledsoe is a good defender, and a much better scorer and i'd love to get him, just not sure if that is even remotely possible.
I'd rather have Patty Mills than Rubio, with the current lineup, and with Jrue as the 2.
the scenario i'd want Rubio, is if we didn't have Jrue on the team at all.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:59 am to VA LSU fan
I wish I had more than one downvote to give for the bullshite you just posted
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:00 am to The_Duke
I've seen a lot of dumb posts, but that is probably the dumbest. He is absolutely clueless
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:09 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Bledsoe is a good defender, and a much better scorer and i'd love to get him, just not sure if that is even remotely possible
If the Suns land Fultz or Ball or Dennis Smith I think they have to trade Bledsoe. But even if they don't draft another guard, they are super young and will be bad for a few years while they develop. I don't think Bledsoe wants to be a part of that process at 28.
The issue we have is what assets can we give Phoenix? Diallo and a 1st I would think starts the trade conversation but that alone won't get it done in my opinion
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 11:17 am
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:18 am to DeionDeion
quote:
The issue we have is what assets can we give Phoenix? Diallo and a 1st I would think starts the trade conversation but that alone won't get it done in my opinion
Moore/Qpon/Diallo and a 1st would be a start, although I don't know how much better that really is. It's really about how bad they want to get rid of him, and if anyone else cares to throw their 1st at them with a better asset. I don't think they really care about the asset though, unless he's real young.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:27 am to TeddyPadillac
You almost have to send Moore to a 3rd team, and part of the problem is Phoenix has plenty of prospects at guard and big. What young wing can you flip Moore for? Could Moore + Frazier get you Oubre and Jason Smith? Or Moore + QPon to a team with cap space, then absorb DeMarre Carroll in a 3 way and get a 1st from Toronto?
I guess if Miami is trading Dragic it's to blow things up and you'd need to do a similar package of 1st, Diallo and whatever you can turn Moore into.
I guess if Miami is trading Dragic it's to blow things up and you'd need to do a similar package of 1st, Diallo and whatever you can turn Moore into.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:30 am to TeddyPadillac
Patty Mills is definitely who I want next to Jrue, just not sure we can get him.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:48 am to TigerinATL
If we could get Oubre, i'm all for that. Would love that. he's young, and I think he can become a better shooter. We could get him with our trade exception, which I would think Washington would rather do as opposed to taking on salary since i'm sure they would like to keep Bogdonavich, and they are maxing out Porter.
Don't know if this years second could get you Oubre, but if we could absorb salary from them with it, something like Oubre/Smith for maybe QPon, who they can waive or get insurance money from, they might be more for it.
I think Oubre is definitely somebody we should be targeting this offseason, especially if the Wizards do well in the postseason and Bogdanvich does well and they want to keep him.
Don't know if this years second could get you Oubre, but if we could absorb salary from them with it, something like Oubre/Smith for maybe QPon, who they can waive or get insurance money from, they might be more for it.
I think Oubre is definitely somebody we should be targeting this offseason, especially if the Wizards do well in the postseason and Bogdanvich does well and they want to keep him.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:59 am to TigerinATL
quote:
worry about with Holiday at SG is that he's just OK as a 3P shooter
His spot up shooting is a concern. Limited attempts (28), but only 32% on catch and shoot 3s post trade. Only 35% on the season (69 3PA).
Hes taking about 1.5 catch and shoot 3s/g (up from 1/g pre trade). With Davis/Cousins starting to figure things out some, that will likely go up (right around 2/g over the last 10).
If he can get that number into the 38% range on spot up 3s, he should be fine. I think he can do that, but it's an adjustment for him.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:37 pm to Fun Bunch
Party Mills is getting around $17 mil this summer so that won't happen
Bledsoe/Dragic/Rubio are all around $14-15 mil but a trade for either of them would let us dump salary
Bledsoe/Dragic/Rubio are all around $14-15 mil but a trade for either of them would let us dump salary
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:45 pm to DeionDeion
Literally the only way you can go with Rubio is if someone else is starting besides Solo.
You simply cannot have those two on the court at the same time with AD and Boog in this era.
You simply cannot have those two on the court at the same time with AD and Boog in this era.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:16 pm to DeionDeion
quote:
Party Mills is getting around $17 mil this summer so that won't happen
yeah uh, that ain't happening.
guys going into their 8th year, that have always come off the bench, that have never averaged more than 10 points a game for a season, and aren't great defenders, and are 6 feet tall, don't make that kind of money, and if they do, then whoever paid them that is stupid. I think he can expect to get Lin money 3/36, at best or maybe 4/42.
he's not getting 17M, and if he is, it sure as shite better not be from us.
Dellavadova signed a 4/38 last year.
I'm pretty sure both the Nets and Bucks would like a redo on those contracts already, even though they like those guys, they aren't worth that much as minor role players. both teams just had money to spend, so they did, and they overspent.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:35 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Dellavadova signed a 4/38
Yes--that blew my mind last year. Think it was second to Dallas trading for Bougt to help the Warriors sign KD (why bro?).
But I'm having trouble finding anyone to put at point if we keep Jure at the 2. This upcoming FA class is poo-poo at 1 guard.
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