Why is Holiday at anything over $20 million so unpalatable?

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Moore/Porter

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Haha some people on this board would then say we were going to bring in Booker at SG to pair with Porter.

Holiday/Hill is a better lineup than Moore/Porter

some doubts about Holiday at 25-30M/annually, but i think you're right about looking at him as a wing more than PG. that makes a difference

Porter at the same price on this team (w/o a Wall (or even a Holiday) to find him and a Beal to draw attention) doesn't seem like a great fit. not too sure he's got the game to create for himself.

maybe Moore/Porter if they believe Davis and Cousins are ready to make a leap as playmakers, but they would still be lacking off the bounce juice they would likely need for spring basketball

Holiday played a great game. 18 7 5 in 7/12 shooting. He should really drive to the paint more tho.

Agreed. Though, even being one of the biggest pro-Jrue posters here, I had some doubts about him during that awful stretch. He was legit terrible, and it lasted a bit longer than a typical drought. Plus he's too passive, and I don't think that will ever change. But he's looking VERY healthy (he's been dunking like once every 3 games, WATCH OUT VINCE CARTER) and his shot has returned. His defense was pretty great for stretches tonight, and I really think that he can defend most SF's in the NBA. But like you said, players that defend 3's frequently have to switch onto 4's.

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If Holiday is a SG he's respected much more than if he's a PG. Holiday is a top 5-10 SG, probably closer to 5 than 10.

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I know respect wouldn't make a difference, but I wonder if he would outright prefer playing more off ball. Would seeing this "experiment" change the teams that would be interested in him in FA?

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If Holiday is a SG he's respected much more than if he's a PG. Holiday is a top 5-10 SG, probably closer to 5 than 10.

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So just for shits and gigs I put together my top 10 SG to see where Jrue would fit as a SG
1) Harden
2) Butler
3) DeRozan
4) Thompson
5) McCollum
6) Beal
7) Wade
8) Middleton
9) Oladipo
10) Danny Green

I personally think Jrue slides somewhere after Beal but before Oladipo. So top 5-10 SG would be dead on for me.




also I'm sure many will disagree with these rankings. relax i threw this together in the last 5 mins

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2. His defense can't be seen in a boxscore

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The eye test tells me he hasn't played elite defense this year but he's right behind Beverley in DRPM

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The eye test tells me he hasn't played elite defense this year but he's right behind Beverley in DRPM

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The eye test tells me he's one of the best defenders in the league. He has consistently played great defense on bigs when he switches. Ive seen him stop Gasol and Porzingas in the post multiple times. There are only a handful of guys under 6'6" that can do that.

He's not $30m. I'd walk from that. He's worth $20 on a longer deal, maybe $25 on a shorter deal. His defense is great and his offense can be at times. Too often his offense is non existent, and he sometimes let's his shitty offensive games affect his defense.
I'm hoping we can get him for 4/90 at the most.

I think if you can get a Bledsoe in a trade, or Rubio, or even Mills with the MLE, jrue will be worth the money.

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The eye test tells me he hasn't played elite defense this year but he's right behind Beverley in DRPM

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He's also 5th overall (number 1 if we're only looking at guards) in expected shooting percentage versus actual shooting percentage when he's guarding the shooter.