re: Which would you rather?

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The Asik trade would have netted us a nice SF, but that guy wouldn't have been a game changer. It would have at least allowed us to not overpay for Hill and Asik, but we likely would have overpaid for some other center in that offseason had we not gotten Asik in the trade.

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This all starts at the Evans deal. That's where the wheels fell off. To bring in Evans, we had to get rid of Rolo. Getting rid of Rolo meant we needed a center, so we traded a first for Asik.

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I just can't get that stat of 42% AD/Evans combo on AD shots vs 58% AD/Jrue out of my head.

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That stat was from last year when Tyreke was playing hurt and not buying into Gentry. I still don't think Gentry would want him as his lead guard unless like I said, they go on a hot streak and fall in love with each other on the way to the playoffs. It's not unprecedented, that's kind of how it happened with Monty and Tyreke. Monty didn't know how to fit Tyreke into what he did at first either, then near the end he was the one encouraging Hero Ball in crunch time.

The problem is the defense, it's become the team's strength. If you keep Tyreke over Holiday I don't think Tyreke/Buddy/Hill/Cunningham/AD is nearly as effective. If you keep both it only works if Tyreke or Buddy is the 6th man, but I think corndeaux is right about Buddy's biggest contribution to the team might be his gravity, you want that spacing things for the starters.

So we are back to the question we've been asking since he got here, if you keep Tyreke will he buy into a 6th man role?

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and sucks in a defense

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I don't think he sucks at defense, I think he doesn't always try. I remember a stat from 2 years ago where he was one of the best iso defenders in the league.

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Anthony Davis is a dominating superstar, but while he’s made strides in being the team leader, he isn’t that fiery general that motivates outside of his own play. Jrue is downright monkish on the court. He doesn’t get rattled, doesn’t show cracks, but he doesn’t exude confidence or instill fire in his teammates. Tyreke has many detractors in the media, but I think even they would have to agree that when Evans is fired up you see that energy and charisma exude through his teammates and the arena. He has the swagger and emotion you want from your lead guard. He sets the tone.

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I agree with that.
Besides that, the win losses have been favoring tyreke for quite some time.
I will be very irritated if we sign Jrue to some big arse contract. His injury history doesn't warrant $25M/yr for multiple years. I like Jrue. And I want him on the team, but he's not worth anywhere near that. So if i'm choosing between the two, its Tyreke easily. I could care less what the defense does with Jrue. We signed a bunch of worthless offensive players that only play defense recently. Tell them to pick it the frick up.

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can a lineup of holiday/hield/Evans/solo or Dante/Davis work? that would be expensive though

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it would be, and it wouldn't get us anywhere but a 5-8 seed at best when healthy. You replace Solo with a draft pick that is worth a shite and we may have something. that's where picking a SF with Asiks pick would come in handy right now, or having a hit on the zero 2nd round picks we had in the last 4 years, like Middleton, or Crowder, or Draymond, etc.

another wrinkle with Reke/Jrue is we either have to make a legit effort keep both or trade one at the deadline. We can not afford to let assets go for nothing, even if it's just a
Second round pick. See: Ryno

I did read that wrong.

regardless, the knock on Reke has always been his perceived defense. While I agree he isn't a great defender, I think he is more than a capable defender when he puts forth the effort.

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if Evans would go for 3/40 or so with an option in year 3 I'd be ok with that

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I would agree

I think Holiday shouldn't get any more than 3 years as well with his injury history. We've only had him for more than half a season once.

I'd still prefer to trade one of them for something, b/c I doubt we will be able to keep them both, and if we do, it may mean losing other players like DMo or Jones while not signing anyone in FA.

The problem is Holiday/AD/DC/Solo = 4 guys that can guard bigs and wings. Can Tyreke guard more than 1-3 and is he aware enough to rotate and switch properly?

No, he and Galloway are kind of redundant and I think you can keep Galloway cheaper because he's got actual motivation for giving a hometown discount than just warm Fuzzies with his wife still working here. You can probably keep him around $6 long term.

ATL or a cap guru...can someone do a cap breakdown for us?

Do we have money to sign Reke and Jrue, then still take care of Jones/DMo?

Also, what is the least painful way to get rid of Asik or Frenchy? Stretching Asik seems like a bad idea due to the dead money issue...is there another fairly painless way?

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Do we have money to sign Reke and Jrue

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There are lots of variables, but TL;DR If you keep both Holiday/Evans you can probably only keep one of DMo/Jones.

In most cases if you keep both Tyreke and Holiday you'll probably remain above the cap and be limited to the MLE, which is now $8.4 million, to keep or sign anyone new. Even if you managed to dump Ajinca and Moore and stretch Asik, that's still only $11 million in cap space with bringing back both Tyreke and Holiday.

I think most of the sentiment behind Trade Tyreke has been based on an assumption that they weren't planning to bring him back so get something for him. If Gentry and Tyreke can agree on his role on the team, then you probably wont be able to get more talent for the money. Operating over the cap also reduces the potential pressure to burn assets to move Asik/Ajinca.