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re: Which teams would you trade rosters including draft assets with?
Posted on 4/3/24 at 2:03 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 4/3/24 at 2:03 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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As an avid sports card investor/collector for 20+ years, this is terrible advice His cards are at an all time high right now.
You’re an idiot if you think long term they wont get higher. Yeah probably better to get in offseason but if you keep waiting- year after year- the prices will increase. Why do you think they’re so high to begin with? Its not just Zion hype.
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Posted on 4/3/24 at 2:25 pm to Pels_Yaz
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You’re an idiot if you think long term they wont get higher. Yeah probably better to get in offseason but if you keep waiting- year after year- the prices will increase. Why do you think they’re so high to begin with? Its not just Zion hype.
I made a living buying and selling sports cards for probably 5 years. I still sell on ebay and set up at shows for fun. I've sold a couple grand worth of Wembys this season. It would be idiotic to hold Wembys right now unless you have something rare. If I come across a good deal on a Wemby I buy it and sell it asap. The market overall is slow right now, with Wemby and a few others being the exception. Telling someone to buy while at an all time high is just dumb advice in the sports card world.
His rookies are going for higher than Lebron rookies. The better advice would be to buy up all the Lebron rookies while his prices have dipped (what I'm currently doing), because his rookies are like guaranteed money. They are 100% only going to go up. Lebron, MJ, and Brady are the three guarantees. Wemby is not a sit it and forget it purchase.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 2:35 pm to Pels_Yaz
And just to add to that...
His most popular subbed card for grading is his Prizm #136 rookie card. The last 5 PSA 10 Prizm #136 sold at eBay auction are $297, $306, $314, $338, and $305. All sold in the last 2 days, an average of $312.
I will bet 1 or 2k right now, or whatever you want, that in 2 years to the day, the average price of his most popular card, that is very easy to track sales, will be down.
Up for a bet?
His most popular subbed card for grading is his Prizm #136 rookie card. The last 5 PSA 10 Prizm #136 sold at eBay auction are $297, $306, $314, $338, and $305. All sold in the last 2 days, an average of $312.
I will bet 1 or 2k right now, or whatever you want, that in 2 years to the day, the average price of his most popular card, that is very easy to track sales, will be down.
Up for a bet?
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:23 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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His rookies are going for higher than Lebron rookies. The better advice would be to buy up all the Lebron rookies while his prices have dipped (what I'm currently doing), because his rookies are like guaranteed money. They are 100% only going to go up. Lebron, MJ, and Brady are the three guarantees. Wemby is not a sit it and forget it purchase.
Wemby does not have rookie autos like Lebron. Its why his rookie cards are so inflated. His numbered cards will keep getting higher as he gets better. Wemby and is definitely an investment- again why do you think his prices are so high?
I would not buy Lebron rookies right now. He is near retirement and unlike Jordan he is not universally by most card collectors. When he retires, his stuff will go down not up. People do not love Bron like Jordan- makes a huge difference after he retires.
Your whole point on cards for Wemby is basically what you think of him as a player. You don’t see Wemby as generational- if thats what a person thinks they would agree with you. Problem is the reason why Wemby stuff is so high is because unlike you people do think he’s generational.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:51 pm to Pels_Yaz
So I take not you're not going to take the bet. Didn't stop all the bad takes though, wow.
Umm, yes he does
He has RC autos in numerous Topps and Bowman sets.
Never said he wasn't an investment, I'm saying investing now is a bad investment. Have you seriously never heard of a buy low/sell high strategy? Right now is buying high.
He's an incredible rookie. Guys cards are always highest when it's their rookie year and no other players to take away from the hype. Players cards are even more inflated when they are really really good their rookie year, which is whats going on with Wemby prices.
He doesn't have to be universally liked, he has an enourmous fan base and it would be ridiculous to say otherwise. He has the most amount of haters and also the most amount of Stans. That cannot be argued.
Again, Jordan, Lebron, and Brady rookies are guaranteed money. Lebron especially given the market dip. Jordans cards skyrocketed because a generation of guy that grew up loving him got to an age where they actually had money and could spend good oney on his stuff. That's going to be the case with Lebron as well, in the next 10-20 years a generation of people that grew up loving Lebron will have the money to invest.
Lebron cards values will also benefit from the fact that the card industry was coming off the junk era where cards were so overly produced that they were cutting back the number of cards produced. And Lebron only signed with Upper Deck so his are even more limited. Wemby's rookie cards are coming out in the start of another era of mass produced cards. The industry didn't learn anything from the previous crash. They are pumping out millions of his cards and everybody and their momma will have one. That's not the case with Jordan and Lebron.
You literally just said they were inflated is because he didn't have auto cards (which is wrong), but putting that aside, the exact same thing happened with Zion cards. Nobody's rookie cards in history, other than the 89 UD Griffey, took off like Zions rookie cards. Because of the hype and potential for a generational talent. Wembys prices are almost at an identical price point as Zions were his rookie year. Guess who are some of the biggest losers in the entire card industry in the past 20 years? Zion investors, because they went hard on him his rookie year when his prices were at a peak, only to see them sell for 1/10 of what they used to. You don't buy at a persons peak, it's very simple advice. Regardless if you think he is generational.
You can babble on as long as you want about this and continue to show you don't know what your talking about, but I know more about this than you, I can promise you that.
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Wemby does not have rookie autos like Lebron
Umm, yes he does
He has RC autos in numerous Topps and Bowman sets. quote:
Wemby and is definitely an investment
Never said he wasn't an investment, I'm saying investing now is a bad investment. Have you seriously never heard of a buy low/sell high strategy? Right now is buying high.
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again why do you think his prices are so high?
He's an incredible rookie. Guys cards are always highest when it's their rookie year and no other players to take away from the hype. Players cards are even more inflated when they are really really good their rookie year, which is whats going on with Wemby prices.
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I would not buy Lebron rookies right now. He is near retirement and unlike Jordan he is not universally by most card collectors.
He doesn't have to be universally liked, he has an enourmous fan base and it would be ridiculous to say otherwise. He has the most amount of haters and also the most amount of Stans. That cannot be argued.
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When he retires, his stuff will go down not up. People do not love Bron like Jordan- makes a huge difference after he retires.
Again, Jordan, Lebron, and Brady rookies are guaranteed money. Lebron especially given the market dip. Jordans cards skyrocketed because a generation of guy that grew up loving him got to an age where they actually had money and could spend good oney on his stuff. That's going to be the case with Lebron as well, in the next 10-20 years a generation of people that grew up loving Lebron will have the money to invest.
Lebron cards values will also benefit from the fact that the card industry was coming off the junk era where cards were so overly produced that they were cutting back the number of cards produced. And Lebron only signed with Upper Deck so his are even more limited. Wemby's rookie cards are coming out in the start of another era of mass produced cards. The industry didn't learn anything from the previous crash. They are pumping out millions of his cards and everybody and their momma will have one. That's not the case with Jordan and Lebron.
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Problem is the reason why Wemby stuff is so high is because unlike you people do think he’s generational.
You literally just said they were inflated is because he didn't have auto cards (which is wrong), but putting that aside, the exact same thing happened with Zion cards. Nobody's rookie cards in history, other than the 89 UD Griffey, took off like Zions rookie cards. Because of the hype and potential for a generational talent. Wembys prices are almost at an identical price point as Zions were his rookie year. Guess who are some of the biggest losers in the entire card industry in the past 20 years? Zion investors, because they went hard on him his rookie year when his prices were at a peak, only to see them sell for 1/10 of what they used to. You don't buy at a persons peak, it's very simple advice. Regardless if you think he is generational.
You can babble on as long as you want about this and continue to show you don't know what your talking about, but I know more about this than you, I can promise you that.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 4:01 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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So I take not you're not going to take the bet. Didn't stop all the bad takes though, wow.
Taking bets on a message board with strangers is moronic.
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Umm, yes he does He has RC autos in numerous Topps and Bowman sets.
Those aren’t in his spurs jerseys so the value will akways be considerably less. The fact you don’t know this means your not a serious collector.
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Guys cards are always highest when it's their rookie year and no other players to take away from the hype. Players cards are even more inflated when they are really really good their rookie year, which is whats going on with Wemby prices.
Again your under the assumption are inflated only cause of hype.
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He doesn't have to be universally liked, he has an enourmous fan base and it would be ridiculous to say otherwise. He has the most amount of haters and also the most amount of Stans. That cannot be argued.
Having stans and fans are not the same thing as high end collectors. They are mostly of the conservative nature that aren’t huge fans of Lebron. Your confusings fans for actual card collectors who will spend high end money- not the same.
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Lebron cards values will also benefit from the fact that the card industry was coming off the junk era where cards were so overly produced that they were cutting back the number of cards produced. And Lebron only signed with Upper Deck so his are even more limited. Wemby's rookie cards are coming out in the start of another era of mass produced cards. The industry didn't learn anything from the previous crash. They are pumping out millions of his cards and everybody and their momma will have one. That's not the case with Jordan and Lebron.
Jordan and early Lebron were part of junk era. Yes they are mass produced thats why I mentioned getting NUMBERED Wemby (but you have issues with reading comprehension).
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the exact same thing happened with Zion cards. Nobody's rookie cards in history, other than the 89 UD Griffey, took off like Zions rookie cards. Because of the hype and potential for a generational talent. Wembys prices are almost at an identical price point as Zions were his rookie year. Guess who are some of the biggest losers in the entire card industry in the past 20 years? Zion investors, because they went hard on him his rookie year when his prices were at a peak, only to see them sell for 1/10 of what they used to. You don't buy at a persons peak, it's very simple advice. Regardless if you think he is generational.
Again if you’re comparing him to Zion- you’re an idiot. He’s substantially better and its not even close.
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You can babble on as long as you want about this and continue to show you don't know what your talking about, but I know more about this than you, I can promise you that.
Oh you PROMISE. So your babbling is more important? - again you’re hilarious.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 4:38 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Taking bets on a message board with strangers is moronic.
Of course it is, and I would be more than willing to do it. I'd even let you name the price.
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Those aren’t in his spurs jerseys so the value will akways be considerably less. The fact you don’t know this means your not a serious collector.
I know that, that doesn't change the fact that he still has rookie autographs. If you meant no pro uni autos then say that.
And since I'm not a serious collector, would you like to post some of your cards and I'll post mine? With a time stamp/coin/date, and see who is a serious collector or not.
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Again your under the assumption are inflated only cause of hype.
Did you not read this part of it...
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Players cards are even more inflated when they are really really good their rookie year,
Try to keep up here.
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Having stans and fans are not the same thing as high end collectors. They are mostly of the conservative nature that aren’t huge fans of Lebron. Your confusings fans for actual card collectors who will spend high end money- not the same.
Lebron has the 5th highest selling card of all time and 8 confirmed sales over 1 million, more than anyone but Mantle, MJ, Wagner, and Ruth. Are you seriously trying to argue that Lebron doesn't have high end collectors? I mean your just pulling stuff out of your arse now.
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Again if you’re comparing him to Zion- you’re an idiot. He’s substantially better and its not even close.
Doesn't change the fact that they have almost identical card sales their rookie year, both initially off hype, and Wemby actually panning out his RC year. I mean we're talking about cards right? They are the two closest comps in values. I'm not trying to argue that Wemby's ceiling isn't higher. Stop with the idiot name calling crap, is that seriously what you resort to on every comment? "I'm going to pretend I know what I'm talking about by calling him an idiot every post and maybe people will believe me."
Posted on 4/3/24 at 5:14 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Of course it is, and I would be more than willing to do it. I'd even let you name the price.
Again no thanks on moronic bets with strangers. This doesn’t prove your point either way.
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I know that, that doesn't change the fact that he still has rookie autographs. If you meant no pro uni autos then say that.
I mean sure- you got me. But you have to admit having rookie autos in a non spurs jersey- depreciates that auto. If anything it creates more demand for his numbered pro uni cards.
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Lebron has the 5th highest selling card of all time and 8 confirmed sales over 1 million, more than anyone but Mantle, MJ, Wagner, and Ruth. Are you seriously trying to argue that Lebron doesn't have high end collectors? I mean your just pulling stuff out of your arse now.
Ok lets break this down. Those cards are likely his limited rpas(rookie patch autos). Do any of those guys listed have rpas?? The answer is no.
Dude you have hard time understanding arguments. I stated his after-market for cards when he retires wont be as big as MJs. You read something and all of sudden make assumptions on what im saying. Meanwhile your comparing fans and stans of Lebron and stating they are equal to high end collectors- thats a wrong analogy. Im not saying he doesn’t have high end collectors- Im saying those two types of people arent the same and his demand after he retires will not be the same or comparable to MJ.
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Doesn't change the fact that they have almost identical card sales their rookie year, both initially off hype, and Wemby actually panning out his RC year. I mean we're talking about cards right? They are the two closest comps in values. I'm not trying to argue that Wemby's ceiling isn't higher.
And we’re arguing for investment purposes here. So don’t you think if someone ceiling is higher- that makes them a better investment?
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Stop with the idiot name calling crap, is that seriously what you resort to on every comment? "I'm going to pretend I know what I'm talking about by calling him an idiot every post and maybe people will believe me."
Thats fine my bad- I’ll stop. Will you stop thinking your argument is better “because you know MORE” or “you want to BET on it”. Lets be real we’re both posting on a message board here.
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