re: Which teams would you trade rosters including draft assets with?

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There's a bit of a list, but just happy he's trending upwards in a big way.

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Giannis
Wemby
Jokic
Doncic (and I wouldn't feel good about it because I'm not sure his style can win a title)


That's it for me

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The fact is, LeBron inherited an incredibly bad team, the worst in the NBA, and right away, made them much better.

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But again, On/Off is very important to this equation.

When both rookies were on court, the teams weren't that different.

When both rookies were off court, Lebron's supporting cast was respectable at least, Wemby's is all time level bad. I'm not sure how you can blame Wemby but give Lebron credit. The data shows it's pretty clear that Wemby's cast is much, much worse than rookie Lebron's. If that were not true, his cast would play much better when he's off court, but they don't.

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but I'm sorry, LeBron impacted winning more than Wemby.

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But why? Exactly how? Rookie Lebron was good, no question. Rookie Wemby is by far more impactful defensively, that's not a question. But Rookie Lebron was an awfully inefficient scorer, substantially worse than Wemby.

I'm just trying to figure out where rookie Lebron made all of these differences, when none of the data backs it up that he was clearly and obviously a bigger difference maker than Wemby. You can try to use wins/losses, but again, I'll point to on/off as that is extremely important to tell the entire story here.

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A significant amount of actual wins tell me more than a flawed stat.

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In fairness, we're judging individual players, not better teams, so wins/losses is a flawed stat as well.

Do you think Chet has been better than Wemby this season? I think that ultimately proves the point. Wemby has blown by Chet in the 2nd half of the season and is pretty clearly the better player, but his team is like 30 games worse.

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even though you're making it seem like LeBrons team was actually good

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I'm just providing data, that's all.

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I think it will take a few years to make a better comparison.

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Certainly. And again, I'm not saying Wemby will be the GOAT or even has a good chance to be the GOAT. Just stating that's where his ceiling, the best possible version of him as a player can be.

Not here to bash LeBrons Rookie year...he was fresh out of high school and did well

But don't compare his rookie season to Wemby

Lebron
41.7% FG percentage
29% 3FG percentage
75.4 FT percentage
5.5 RPG
5.9 Ast
3.5 TOs a game
20.9 PPG

Wemby
46.6% FG Percentage
32% 3FG Percentage
79.4% FT Percentage
10.3 RPG
3.6 APG
3.6 TOs a game
20.7 PPG
3.5 blocks a game**

Not even going to compare teams. Cleveland was better than San Antonio by a mile in terms of supporting cast

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Wemby with a cool 40/20/7 night tonight. 1st rookie to go for 40/20 since Shaq 31 years ago.

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I mean this as serious investment advice. People should go out and get
Wemby rookie cards and just stash it. You’ll thank me 10 years from now.

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His team has only won 15 games this year. They are actually worse than last year. There is no excuse for that. It's not a top 10 modern NBA rookie season.

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The frick?

This isn't even "back in Lebron's day". The Spurs aren't trying to be good right now. Wins are irrelevant to this discussion for that reason.

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I don't equate shot blockers to great defenders.

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to clarify, you have to go back 30+ years and think it's a remotely comparable situation with a 24 year old David Robinson playing with multiple players who made All Star teams before the season and a future Hall of Famer as well to the dudes Wemby plays with?

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Yeah he doesn't even realize how silly he is.

The age thing alone between Duncan, Robinson, Bird, Magic, etc. should have held him off of this argument...but here we are.

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But don't compare his rookie season to Wemby

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Not even going to compare teams. Cleveland was better than San Antonio by a mile in terms of supporting cast

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Correct


It's odd that some folks can't even concede that, it's rather obvious.

It doesn't mean Wemby will be better, it just is what it is, rookie Wemby was much better than rookie Lebron.

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Yeah he doesn't even realize how silly he is

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So, let's get into this. How can you say something is the greatest something of all time, then be upset when people bring up the others in the past to compare and contrast?

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You have to bring up comparable guys, though.

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He said, "its the greatest rookie season of all time". When I objected and started naming other rookie seasons, he said they are from too long ago. Maybe he meant, for the past 20 years or 30 years or something. But he said, of all time. You kind of have to go historic when people make claims like that. So, I just gave up and moved on, cause it's really not worth debating. But that's what you are supporting, so just some context..

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I mean this as serious investment advice. People should go out and get
Wemby rookie cards and just stash it. You’ll thank me 10 years from now.

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As an avid sports card investor/collector for 20+ years, this is terrible advice His cards are at an all time high right now.