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re: When will NBA structure league more like NFL
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:17 pm to 504ByrdGang
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:17 pm to 504ByrdGang
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True but I don't think the average household can stream live TV.
wut?
you just need internet and a phone or streaming device or smart tv
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Streaming live games are much more difficult. Compared that to streaming on Netflix and HULU.
am i missing something here?
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Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:18 pm to NOLA Bronco
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Don't act like an idiot. If you want to discuss then discuss.
there was a time without marquee teams making the finals. it nearly killed the NBA
the one thing we hvae learned is that it's not about the marquee markets anymore. it's about the top level teams
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
I see it as this the East has turned to shite since Lebron joined the Heat creating a superteam. No one could compete and everyone else just battles for second place while every other east team was irrelevant. Now the Warriors did that to the west. That is why the west was seen as fun all teams had a chance but now they are all irrelevant and battling for second place.
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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am i missing something here?
Yes, facts. He already gave you a source that reported on the declining numbers. If streaming was such a detriment to sports we wouldn't still see NFL ratings climbing year over year. Unless you have evidence that the NBA is somehow unique in being negatively affected by streaming. But that would require evidence, something you haven't been providing. Just hot takes.
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there was a time without marquee teams making the finals. it nearly killed the NBA
the one thing we hvae learned is that it's not about the marquee markets anymore. it's about the top level teams
Except we have marquee teams and the numbers are declining overall???
Clearly this isnt the cut and dry super teams = better numbers/attendance/approval assertion you are maintaining.
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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wut?
you just need internet and a phone or streaming device or smart tv
Legal streams like the nba app or espn app can be accounted toward ratings if I'm not mistaken.
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:29 pm to 504ByrdGang
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Legal streams like the nba app or espn app can be accounted toward ratings if I'm not mistaken.
Cord cutting is just a very overstated phenomenon in general:
LINK
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:45 pm to NOLA Bronco
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Which is why we are seeing what we are seeing this offseason with a massive spike that has allowed the whole Kevin Durant thing to be possible the way it is in the first place.
Nope. This is unbelievably facile for someone who typically pays attention to details.
The spike helps. Max contracts help. Steph Curry turning into an all time offensive force while making Jrue Holiday $$ helps. Klay Thompson going supernova in Game 6 of the WCF helps. Draymond Green being an All-NBA player helps. The Warriors being the first team in the Finals to lose while up 3-1 helps. This is a once in a lifetime event. Laying it solely at the CBA is ludicrous
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I think a more competitive league would in no way create a detriment to the finals. If anything, over time, it would improve it to a new higher normal that has higher peak potential.
nope nope nope
NOPE
+1
People tune in for dominant teams/players. "More competitive" here means watered down. Why anyone wants to root for lesser basketball in June is beyond me.
If people are so concerned about market imbalances, the real solution is more robust revenue sharing from owners.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:53 pm to corndeaux
Agree with the revenue sharing.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 4:00 pm to NOLA Bronco
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The NBA is making their money on the collective power of the NBA brand. Just having huge playoff/finals numbers and continually diminishing regular game numbers and attendance is not good for the overall business. If a few hundred or so games having great viewership/attendance means little if the other 2,000+ games are continually dropping in viewership and attendance.
And the NBA brand is built off what, 10 marquee players? Whose very free agency has become a spectacle and part of keeping the NBA in the headlines well into July. NBA free agency has become an event in and of itself wth the way it's set up
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continually diminishing regular game numbers and attendance is not good for the overall business. If a few hundred or so games having great viewership/attendance means little if the other 2,000+ games are continually dropping in viewership and attendance
I'm just not sure viewership and attendance are as important to the bottom line as you think. Tv deals and season tickets are carrying that financial burden
Posted on 7/5/16 at 4:12 pm to corndeaux
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Or fans who love Shaq yet think Durant is the ultimate bitch for bailing on his team.
I think it's pretty clear that the majority of criticism of Durant isn't about him leaving OKC but rather him joining a 73 win Golden State.
Do you disagree?
Posted on 7/5/16 at 4:27 pm to GynoSandberg
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I'm just not sure viewership and attendance are as important to the bottom line as you think. Tv deals and season tickets are carrying that financial burden
For the NBA no, by for those other 27 team owners yes. When they aren't making the money they want are left with bad TV deals and low attendance you don't think they will complain. I'm sure those other 27 markets don't want to be turned into the Washington generals that is what the problem is.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 4:38 pm to moneyg
I've seen a lot of critiques. Whether out of jealousy, anger, sadness, whatever. People can react however they want.
The idea that the league is structurally flawed because of Durant (a FA exercising his right to choose) is beyond absurd. This the CBA the owners, by and large, wanted. The owners took the players to the cleaners in 2011. And it's been very good for business. This, too, will be good for business. The NBA is never better than with a monolith.
This raises the bar for everyone else and teams will try like hell to solve the Warriors. It should be exciting, even if ultimately futile.
The idea that the league is structurally flawed because of Durant (a FA exercising his right to choose) is beyond absurd. This the CBA the owners, by and large, wanted. The owners took the players to the cleaners in 2011. And it's been very good for business. This, too, will be good for business. The NBA is never better than with a monolith.
This raises the bar for everyone else and teams will try like hell to solve the Warriors. It should be exciting, even if ultimately futile.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 4:41 pm to 504ByrdGang
That's fair. Local tv and attendance have been the lifeblood of team revenue because there has been no national tv cushion.
I do wonder how much that will change with such a large national TV deal. Also very curious to see how smaller markets do in upcoming local tv deals. If the Pels can get good money with their anemic ratings...
I do wonder how much that will change with such a large national TV deal. Also very curious to see how smaller markets do in upcoming local tv deals. If the Pels can get good money with their anemic ratings...
Posted on 7/5/16 at 4:41 pm to corndeaux
It is a unique problem that was made only because the escalating salary cap was a substantial amount along with underpaid elite players on yesterday's salary cap.
When the salary cap stabilizes in the next couple of years and the current generation of max players emerge it will correct itself.
When the salary cap stabilizes in the next couple of years and the current generation of max players emerge it will correct itself.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 4:42 pm to htran90
+1
Will be very interesting to see how the owners react to this in the CBA negotiations.
Will be very interesting to see how the owners react to this in the CBA negotiations.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 4:44 pm to corndeaux
My complaint about Durants decision reall has nothing to do with the structure of the league. I just think it was sort of chickenshit (and nothing like LeBron).
Posted on 7/5/16 at 5:00 pm to corndeaux
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The idea that the league is structurally flawed because of Durant (a FA exercising his right to choose) is beyond absurd. This the CBA the owners, by and large, wanted.
That doesn't make it good for the fans / game.
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And it's been very good for business. This, too, will be good for business. The NBA is never better than with a monolith.
Ok. I'm not sure I agree, but for the sake of argument let's assume it's true. I don't think that changes anything about whether or not it's good for the game or the fans.
It's kind of like what ESPN programming has become with Skip Bayless, Stephen A. Smith, etc. It may be good for business. People may love to hate it. But, it's not good programming, and ultimately, It think it will hurt the network.
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This raises the bar for everyone else and teams will try like hell to solve the Warriors. It should be exciting, even if ultimately futile.
I can honestly say that I'm not excited. If the Warriors begin to dominate the league, I really won't have much interest until the final...where I'll be pulling for the underdog to win. And, in the end, if the Warriors do win, any talk about them being the greatest, etc. will simply be comparing apples to oranges to me. It won't hold any water. But, my opinion is only one. Maybe you and many others can enjoy the manufacturing of greatness.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 5:21 pm to 504ByrdGang
A guy like me(and others here) that lives out of state/country and goes on "other" streaming sites to watch games,I'm curious to the effect those viewers would have on the numbers.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 8:00 pm to moneyg
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That doesn't make it good for the fans / game.
How many NBA seasons have there been when there weren't just 4 or 5 teams who realistically could win the title? Durant drops that number to 2. 50%, sure. But if we're up in arms about there only being 2 teams with any shot instead of 4 or 5, it rings a little hollow to me.
This idea of championship or tank is way off to me. There is nothing wrong with being the Grit/Grind Girzzlies. A solid core that consistently wins 50+ games, is a tough out, but is never, ever sniffing a title.
Can the Pels become a real, competent basketball team? That's pretty damn interesting.
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People may love to hate it. But, it's not good programming, and ultimately, It think it will hurt the network.
The NBA, unlike ESPN, is actually entertainment. Sport itself is entertainment. Two middle aged dudes arguing about people actually doing things is stupid. Watching people compete, achieve, struggle, overcome, etc is endlessly fascinating.
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I really won't have much interest until the final
You and I are just wired differently. There's literally an entire league to watch during the regular season. Forest for trees, my man. Plenty of other things happening besides the Warriors death march. Giannis, Simmons, We the North, Stevens, Jokic/Nurkic, Cousins, AD, Buddy Hield, Westbrook turning into a banshee, KAT/Wiggins/Thibs, Baby Lakers, Devin Booker avoiding PHX guard curse, Harden/D'Antoni, Dirk, whatever the frick Orlando is doing, SVG building fricking walls, et al....
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Maybe you and many others can enjoy the manufacturing of greatness.
Just like the Heatles won 4 consecutive titles, right? Nothing is set in stone. They still have to earn it. They are overwhelming favorites, and it may be inevitable, but they will have to take the title.
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