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re: When will NBA structure league more like NFL
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:31 pm to NOFOX
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:31 pm to NOFOX
Wrong big games ratings may be going up like the finals and premier match up but overall ratings and attendance are down. So unless the NBA is OK with viewers only being interested in 2 teams while the 28 others ratings and attendance continue to drop they are in great shape. Silver even came out last year stating his dislikes all the stars teaming up thinking its better for the league's talent to be dispersed.
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 1:55 pm
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Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:36 pm to 504ByrdGang
Agreed 504.
The concentration of talent is only going to help the marquee matchups. Outside of that fans will grow disillusioned and disinterested if they are on the outside looking in at the super teams dominating everyone else. And if what you say is right it is already happening.
With that said I kind of think there is no way the next CBA is signed without something very close to a hard cap. Maybe some sort of exception but it will not be like now.
Realistically it is the best option right now to reduce the trend and stop this vicious cycle.
The concentration of talent is only going to help the marquee matchups. Outside of that fans will grow disillusioned and disinterested if they are on the outside looking in at the super teams dominating everyone else. And if what you say is right it is already happening.
With that said I kind of think there is no way the next CBA is signed without something very close to a hard cap. Maybe some sort of exception but it will not be like now.
Realistically it is the best option right now to reduce the trend and stop this vicious cycle.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:54 pm to 504ByrdGang
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Thats the point, Max contract made it easier to create these team.
but the max contract (and max years) was a way to protect the owners from themselves
they don't want to go back to that. jordan was making $33M in 98
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
So now stars don't have the risk on forming super teams by losing out on a bunch of money.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:57 pm to 504ByrdGang
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Wrong big games ratings may be going up like the finals and premier match up but overall ratings and attendance are down.
link?
and, ESPN ain't paying for non-marquee matchups
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Silver even came out last year stating his dislikes all the stars teaming up thinking its better for the league's talent to be dispersed.
what can you do if the players agree to take less money or flexibility to join up?
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:58 pm to NOLA Bronco
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With that said I kind of think there is no way the next CBA is signed without something very close to a hard cap.
probably 2/3 of owners and the NBAPA don't want this. why would this pass?
and Durant signed as a FA under the cap
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but the max contract (and max years) was a way to protect the owners from themselves
they don't want to go back to that. jordan was making $33M in 98
Yeah getting rid of the max creates its own set of problems.
Namely the overpayment problem. Sure Lebron may get 50 million a year but your second tier players will get vastly overpaid because the perception in this league is rightfully predicated on having all star/superstar talent to even be relevant.
So if you have a borderline one you better pay up or the dumb organization down the street is going to offer 40 million for that guy. A handful of guys will get PAID and then a ton of players will get shafted. Given that the Players Union is not just looking out for superstars, I don't see them being all too happy with that.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Through last week, the average audience for TNT’s national games is down 8.2% from 2014, according to Nielsen, while ESPN’s national games are down 5.6%. Both cable networks also saw early-season losses in the valuable demographic of adults ages 18 to 49, with TNT off by 12.7% and ESPN down 4.5% through Thursday.
These drops are part of a steady decline in the NBA’s cable viewership since the 2012 lockout season. NBA audiences last season fell 10% on ESPN to 1.5 million viewers and 12% on TNT to 1.7 million—their lowest since 2008.
Michael Morris, a cable-industry analyst at Guggenheim Securities, says live sports should continue to earn premiums from networks in coming years, but that the advertising market won’t wait forever. “At some point you have to see the financial impact of losing some audiences,” he said.
Artie Bulgrin, ESPN’s senior vice president for global research, said some of the network’s NBA viewers decline is due to scheduling: ESPN’s four opening-week NBA telecasts went up against two World Series games and a Republican debate. With those games factored out, the network’s viewers are flat, according to Nielsen.
Bulgrin said he wished the Warriors were on the schedule more often given that they’re the best team in the league, but they still don’t command the same audiences as marquee teams in larger cities. “It’s Golden State,” Bulgrin said. “It’s not New York, Chicago or Los Angeles.”
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Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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probably 2/3 of owners and the NBAPA don't want this. why would this pass?
and Durant signed as a FA under the cap
Movement toward a harder cap has continued each new agreement and has continued to gain steam over time. If we continue to see a large concentration of power to a handful of teams it will only gain more momentum, not less.
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:04 pm to NOLA Bronco
I'd say the NBA makes its money on marquee matchups
The networks are picking who they want on TV. It's becoming like WWF with the storylines. On one hand, they got the straight up good matchup vs 2 great teams. On the other hand, they will market the hell out of games like Lebron playing MIA or now Durant vs GS. They will play up the Spurs one last run with the vets. Big market teams like NYK, LAL, BOS making moves to become relevant. Simmons in PHI. I think the NBA is as strong as ever, and this is how they want it
Now they also get to exploit Durant vs OKC for the WC title in the playoffs. The possible rematch with CLE in the finals.
I don't really see the stars teaming up as a bad thing thing at all. It's all exploitable storylines for the NBA
The networks are picking who they want on TV. It's becoming like WWF with the storylines. On one hand, they got the straight up good matchup vs 2 great teams. On the other hand, they will market the hell out of games like Lebron playing MIA or now Durant vs GS. They will play up the Spurs one last run with the vets. Big market teams like NYK, LAL, BOS making moves to become relevant. Simmons in PHI. I think the NBA is as strong as ever, and this is how they want it
Now they also get to exploit Durant vs OKC for the WC title in the playoffs. The possible rematch with CLE in the finals.
I don't really see the stars teaming up as a bad thing thing at all. It's all exploitable storylines for the NBA
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:06 pm to GynoSandberg
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I'd say the NBA makes its money on marquee matchups
The networks are picking who they want on TV. It's becoming like WWF with the storylines. On one hand, they got the straight up good matchup vs 2 great teams. On the other hand, they will market the hell out of games like Lebron playing MIA or now Durant vs GS. They will play up the Spurs one last run with the vets. Big market teams like NYK, LAL, BOS making moves to become relevant. Simmons in PHI. I think the NBA is as strong as ever, and this is how they want it
Now they also get to exploit Durant vs OKC for the WC title in the playoffs. The possible rematch with CLE in the finals.
I don't really see the stars teaming up as a bad thing thing at all. It's all exploitable storylines for the NBA
The NBA is making their money on the collective power of the NBA brand. Just having huge playoff/finals numbers and continually diminishing regular game numbers and attendance is not good for the overall business. If a few hundred or so games having great viewership/attendance means little if the other 2,000+ games are continually dropping in viewership and attendance.
Plus I don't think it is an either or. I think a more competitive league would in no way create a detriment to the finals. If anything, over time, it would improve it to a new higher normal that has higher peak potential.
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:08 pm to NOLA Bronco
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Yeah getting rid of the max creates its own set of problems.
yeah i mean that was a MAJOR part of that lockout in the late 90s
no more juwon hoawrds getting 7/121M contracts
oh, and 3 teams offered him that. THREE.
max salaries, max years, and the rookie scale were the 3 big parts of that CBA
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:10 pm to 504ByrdGang
More and more people have started streaming since 2012
I'm not sure how that's factored in
I'm not sure how that's factored in
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:11 pm to NOLA Bronco
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Movement toward a harder cap has continued each new agreement and has continued to gain steam over time. If we continue to see a large concentration of power to a handful of teams it will only gain more momentum, not less.
most of the teams who pay the luxury tax aren't even elite teams
the tax was more to stop teams from pulling an isaiah era knicks. again...to protect themselves from themselves
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:12 pm to NOLA Bronco
I'm a huge NBA fan and last year was unwatchable to me. The talent level was so off balance it was like 2 different leauges. There was no competition except for 4 teams. On the other hand 14-15 was a great year. Seeds 1-7 in the west fighting each other every night every game meant something and the outcomes were unexpected.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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most of the teams who pay the luxury tax aren't even elite teams
the tax was more to stop teams from pulling an isaiah era knicks. again...to protect themselves from themselves
And it would be a continuation of that notion then. Reducing and stopping vicious cycles.
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:14 pm to NOLA Bronco
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I think a more competitive league would in no way create a detriment to the finals. If anything, over time, it would improve it to a new higher normal that has higher peak potential.
nope nope nope
NOPE
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:14 pm to LosLobos111
True but I don't think the average household can stream live TV. Streaming live games are much more difficult. Compared that to streaming on Netflix and HULU. If you read the article it stated they didnt believe the increase in streaming was causing that.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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nope nope nope
NOPE
Don't act like an idiot. If you want to discuss then discuss.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:15 pm to 504ByrdGang
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I'm a huge NBA fan and last year was unwatchable to me. The talent level was so off balance it was like 2 different leauges. There was no competition except for 4 teams.
here is why that is
lebron
steph curry
the spurs being the spurs
kevin durant/westbrook
so now we went from 4 to 3. it's not this game changing event like it's being portrayed
and there isn't anything the league can do to create more super duper elite guys
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