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What is this Board's Obsession with Cole?
Posted on 3/5/15 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 3/5/15 at 3:58 pm
Cole is just not that good. You can tell he's never played with AD, so thats understandable that he threw stupid lobs that were defended, plus missed an open one or two. CP3 Rubio etc would all be able to adjust right away, but fair enough, can't expect a top 5 passer..... But the dude just isn't that good. I mean, he's just what we needed because Holiday is out. A decent(slightly below average for playoffs) backup PG. That's a huge improvement over a team that was having to play 10 day contract guys because of injuries. But he's not very good yet this board acts like he is making some amazing impact. I guess everybody wants to point to something tangible that would give hope for us being a totally different team.
I can't believe how much nonsense I am hearing about his massive sample size of horrid shooting in Miami being shot selection. One would think he came here and is shooting like Ray Allen. He's shooting 42% and 27% for 3 and 66% for FT since he's got here. So he's made literally 1 or 2 more 2 pointers than his average and his 3pt percentage and FT% are the same. And that's against a ridiculously soft schedule. It's not a shot selection issue. It's a he really sucks at shooting issue.
Like I said, great addition. But let's call a spade a spade. Its a great addition because it replaced D leaguers with a below average NBA player while giving up Salmons..
I can't believe how much nonsense I am hearing about his massive sample size of horrid shooting in Miami being shot selection. One would think he came here and is shooting like Ray Allen. He's shooting 42% and 27% for 3 and 66% for FT since he's got here. So he's made literally 1 or 2 more 2 pointers than his average and his 3pt percentage and FT% are the same. And that's against a ridiculously soft schedule. It's not a shot selection issue. It's a he really sucks at shooting issue.
Like I said, great addition. But let's call a spade a spade. Its a great addition because it replaced D leaguers with a below average NBA player while giving up Salmons..
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Posted on 3/5/15 at 4:12 pm to TheSexecutioner
Great On Ball defender thou
Posted on 3/5/15 at 4:14 pm to TheSexecutioner
It seems you're the one with a Cole obsession.
Oh, and...
Oh, and...
Posted on 3/5/15 at 4:15 pm to Smedium27
Yeah I disagree, I feel like when we do get Holiday back, Cole is going to continue to be solid for us.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 4:15 pm to TheSexecutioner
quote:good point. cp3 and Rubio should absolutely be the standard we judge Norris cole on
CP3 Rubio etc
Posted on 3/5/15 at 4:17 pm to Smedium27
quote:This. Watch the way he gets around screens
Great On Ball defender thou
Most of our guards get WIPED OUT by screens. Cole's almost always able to fight around screens and still be quick enough to stay in front of his man
Posted on 3/5/15 at 4:19 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Its a great addition because it replaced D leaguers with a below average NBA player while giving up Salmons..
Why is this not excitement worthy? I think it's great that we have a Jrue Lite with Jrue potentially being injured for who knows how long.
And I do think shot selection could be an issue, doesn't mean he's a good shooter, it just means you need to know what you're good at and concentrate on that. He's shooting 52% on pullups and 35% on catch and shoots as a Pelican. The difference isn't quite as big over his career, but the pullups have always been better yet not the shot he takes the most of.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 4:22 pm to Fearthehat0307
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good point. cp3 and Rubio should absolutely be the standard we judge Norris cole on
Can you read? I conceded that was a ridiculous standard to judge him by. Just wanted to establish that he wasn't some elite distributor less somebody try to claim that makes up for his horrid shooting which I provided actual facts for.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 4:23 pm to TigerinATL
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Why is this not excitement worthy? I think it's great that we have a Jrue Lite with Jrue potentially being injured for who knows how long.
It certainly is. And it seems you are realistic. This post was not made to the entire board.
But I keep hearing this shot selection nonsense or "his form looks good, I think this is sustainable." Great. Sustainable horrid shooting.
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He's shooting 52% on pullups and 35% on catch and shoots as a Pelican. The difference isn't quite as big over his career, but the pullups have always been better yet not the shot he takes the most of.
Come on man..... You don't see the problem with subdividing already ridiculously small sample sizes to try to gleen some hope from the data? Dudes sucks at shooting, period. He's not a good pull-up shooter and he's not a good catch and shooter. He is a good defender.
This post was edited on 3/5/15 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 3/5/15 at 4:24 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Galactic Inquisitor
Just brought straight fire.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 4:25 pm to TheSexecutioner
Posted on 3/5/15 at 4:26 pm to TheSexecutioner
People get excited. Brian Roberts dished 17 assists in a game 2 years ago and everyone was singing Hosannas. 8 months later, he was the worst player ever. Nothing wrong with that excitement.
Cole is a solid back up pg. He's really the type of guard the team needs given Evans, Gordon, and Holiday- someone willing to play off ball and defend. He's nothing special, but as 4th guard and 8th or 9th guy, he fits in.
Cole is a solid back up pg. He's really the type of guard the team needs given Evans, Gordon, and Holiday- someone willing to play off ball and defend. He's nothing special, but as 4th guard and 8th or 9th guy, he fits in.
This post was edited on 3/5/15 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 3/5/15 at 4:27 pm to TheSexecutioner
Oh. Its you.
No one thinks he's the best PG in the league. He's a good backup PG and a considerable upgrade for us. He's been playing well since he got here, and we got him for a useless corpse.
Sounds like something to be happy about.
No one thinks he's the best PG in the league. He's a good backup PG and a considerable upgrade for us. He's been playing well since he got here, and we got him for a useless corpse.
Sounds like something to be happy about.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 4:28 pm to TheSexecutioner
dat flat top doe
Posted on 3/5/15 at 4:30 pm to corndeaux
Understood. I'm excited but also worried at the same time that he will get minutes with Jrue back. No need to play anybody but EG, Jrue, and Reke at the 1 and 2.
The bigger point of this thread was to dispel this myth that he's shooting better. I was reading through the game thread and getting annoyed that people were posting that and others might trust them and start parroting it, so I wanted to nip it in the bud.
The bigger point of this thread was to dispel this myth that he's shooting better. I was reading through the game thread and getting annoyed that people were posting that and others might trust them and start parroting it, so I wanted to nip it in the bud.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 4:31 pm to TheSexecutioner
1. Nobody says he's CP3 or passes like him or anything like that
2. The board likes the energy and spark he provides off the bench and we think that is what he brings to the team. A true on ball defending point guard who likes playing defense and up tempo offense.
2. The board likes the energy and spark he provides off the bench and we think that is what he brings to the team. A true on ball defending point guard who likes playing defense and up tempo offense.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 4:32 pm to TheSexecutioner
quote:Finally, some clarity.
Just wanted to establish that he wasn't some elite distributor
More straw man arguments please.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 4:34 pm to eyeran
He is better than Jimmer, I can live with that for now
This post was edited on 3/5/15 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 3/5/15 at 4:35 pm to yankfand
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1. Nobody says he's CP3 or passes like him or anything like that
2. The board likes the energy and spark he provides off the bench and we think that is what he brings to the team. A true on ball defending point guard who likes playing defense and up tempo offense.
Are y'all even reading my posts? All y'all are doing is agreeing with me and not addressing my point.
1) I didnt think anybody said he was CP3
2) I like his energy and spark too. I would assume the board loves his D because I like it too
3) Why did you ignore my point about multiple people on this board claiming he was a better shooter and hypothesizing he just wasn't in the right system? Are y'all really gonna act like people haven't been claiming that? They have, and its absolutely absurd for a dude who shot 39/26/68 for 55 games and has now shot 43/27/66 for 7 or so games against terrible competition.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 4:39 pm to TheSexecutioner
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No need to play anybody but EG, Jrue, and Reke at the 1 and 2.
Yeah. That's a roster/rotation problem. Still don't really trust Monty to figure out rotations. But with health, he could go Cole, Evans, Cunningham, Anderson, Ajinca as his primary bench unit in the 2nd quarter. Not sure about the defense, but that's a big step up from where they've been the past few years.
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The bigger point of this thread was to dispel this myth that he's shooting better. I was reading through the game thread and getting annoyed that people were posting that and others might trust them and start parroting it, so I wanted to nip it in the bud.
Gotcha.
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