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re: Trade Scenario: Pelicans acquire Rudy Gay, Courtney Lee and Jordan Mickey
Posted on 12/21/15 at 2:27 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 12/21/15 at 2:27 pm to TigerinATL
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One thing that stood out in the "Gentry Playbook" highlight vid people linked to over the summer was the center being able to either pass or attack from about 10 feet out. It stood out because we didn't have any centers that could do that. That's something David Lee should be able to do, no? Might make a good Ryno replacement
While playing him next to Davis would be nice on offense, David Lee is 32 and as bad as Anderson on defense. Not much of an answer beyond the next 6 months.
And here's another question- if they think Davis will be a 5 more frequently, isn't he the passing big? Remember that Lowe article from a couple years ago- using Davis from the elbow to facilitate a la Dirk. Seems like that is the plan, even though Davis has had a rough go of it in that role this year.
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 2:40 pm to corndeaux
Davis is many things at this moment in his career but a smart/deft passer is not one of them. You bring in a guy like lee and he can maybe help push that along, plus I would not hate it if they re signed him to a decent deal
like Gordon I doubt David lee will ever see 15MM a year again
like Gordon I doubt David lee will ever see 15MM a year again
Posted on 12/21/15 at 3:15 pm to cgrand
if we stay in the lotterty, but not near the top...Henry Ellenson from Marquette has awesome passing skills and I think could play along Davis. Another option would be trying to trade with BOS for Zeller.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 3:23 pm to cgrand
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smart/deft passer is not one of them
Hes actually the one core guy who looks to make the right pass. Hes absolutely not there as a hub, but that was never going to happen overnight. Hes got skills to be a very good passer.
quote:
like Gordon I doubt David lee will ever see 15MM a year again
Clearly not. But Lee will be 33 and is as bad as Anderson on defense. Lee is not a long term piece for any roster, much less one that needs a new foundation. Anything much more than the minimum is unwise. And you better get a younger and better big somewhere else.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 3:35 pm to NOFOX
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if we stay in the lotterty, but not near the top...Henry Ellenson from Marquette has awesome passing skills and I think could play along Davis
Even if a new FO is brought in, all that gets you is no ties to current players, it doesn't ease expectations to win now. If you draft a big you've got at least a year before he's useful. If you draft a skinny euro scorer like Korkmaz it may be 2-3 years. You may be able to get more value out of a trade. Like if Milwaukee decides their core is young enough to reset after a disappointing season, maybe you can get Middleton for the 7-10 pick. If something like that is on the table it'd be pretty hard to draft a project.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 4:05 pm to TigerinATL
I think if a new FO is brought in they have the freedom to build a contender ground up including a couple of losing seasons if need be as opposed to a win now mandate. Since AD is locked up there is no need to win now to ensure we keep him. We need to be thinking about keeping him after this contract and that is by having a true contender. We need to use and develop draft picks for that and fans can be sold with hope.
I would be shocked if ownership lets Dell or new GM trade a top 7 pick this year considering our previous history. Not to mention rookie scale contracts are awesome deals that allow you to operate cheaper in the future. I think ownership is sick of trading draft picks for pieces other teams don't want.
I would be shocked if ownership lets Dell or new GM trade a top 7 pick this year considering our previous history. Not to mention rookie scale contracts are awesome deals that allow you to operate cheaper in the future. I think ownership is sick of trading draft picks for pieces other teams don't want.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 7:24 am to TigerinATL
That trade was pulled from the David Aldridge weekly column.
Here's his rationale for Phoenix:
Here's what he says about the Pels:
And here's another one he had for the Pels:
Here's his rationale for Phoenix:
quote:
For its part, Phoenix just wants to turn the page. The Suns don't need another center with Tyson Chandler and Alex Len around, but both Chandler and Len tend to get hurt during a season. And taking on Asik's contract is the cost of getting rid of the 'Keef headache. Asik can always be re-routed in the offseason. And T.J. Warren's ready to step in at the three for Tucker.
Here's what he says about the Pels:
quote:
Make no mistake: it would be a gamble for the Pels to count on Lawson or Morris long-term. But where are they going, exactly, with their current roster? If Alvin Gentry wants to play fast, it would be worth it to take a good look Lawson. At the least, New Orleans wouldn't have to wait for Jrue Holiday to be ready to play big minutes the rest of the season. Morris would also fit right in with a pace and space game, and with his more than reasonable contract he could always be moved again if he turns out to bring the same baggage to the Pels that he's carried the last year with the Suns.
And here's another one he had for the Pels:
quote:
New Orleans sends F Ryan Anderson and F Alonzo Gee to Milwaukee for G O.J. Mayo and C Miles Plumlee.
The trade really is Anderson for Plumlee, with the expiring contract of Mayo thrown in. There just aren't going to be that many minutes available going forward in Milwaukee at the five, with Greg Monroe and John Henson locked in, and Plumlee showed during his stint in Phoenix that he can be very effective playing up-tempo, which is catnip for Alvin Gentry in Nawlins. He'd be a younger, quicker and better center playing next to Anthony Davis than Omer Asik. The Bucks aren't actually bad in three-point percentage (.350, 15th in the league), but more than half of Milwaukee's threes this season have been made by two guys—Khris Middleton and Jerryd Bayless. Anderson would spread the three-point love and spread the floor, giving Jason Kidd more lineup options if he wanted to go super-small. But Plumlee's been playing pretty well for the Bucks lately, making this harder to contemplate.
This post was edited on 12/22/15 at 7:25 am
Posted on 12/22/15 at 8:06 am to corndeaux
Lowe column on the Bulls today. Some interesting parallels between their struggles on offense and what is happening in New Orleans.
Plus this bit in his roundup section:
Plus this bit in his roundup section:
quote:
But with Meeks still recovering, expect the Pistons to sniff around available wings as trade season heats up -- perhaps using Brandon Jennings and a protected 2016 first-rounder as bait. This franchise is desperate to feel the playoffs again. Keep an eye on Eric Gordon once the Pelicans punt the season.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 8:34 am to corndeaux
well if Gordon returns a player and a pick you do that if you are the pels in a hot second. Jennings expires after this year also. not sure that's a legal trade though as Jennings only makes 8MM, Pistons would have to send more salary
Jennings was playing really well before he got hurt and they made the jackson trade
Jennings was playing really well before he got hurt and they made the jackson trade
Posted on 12/22/15 at 8:34 am to corndeaux
Thanks, I guess the encouraging thing is Aldridge thinks Asik can be easily moved in the offseason, which wouldn't surprise me considering the cap increase. Are you going to spend $15 on an $8 million Free Agent for the next 4 years or $12 on an $6-$8 million player for the next 3 years by absorbing Asik?
Lawson and Morris both seem like low commitment risks. Lawson has a voidable contract and if Morris goes to jail then I assume he comes off the books too. What I don't like about the trade is it gets rid of all of our SFs. I guess you could do Gordon to OKC for Morrow, Singler, McGary and Novak.
Lawson/Ish
Holiday/Mayo/Morrow
Tyreke/Singler/Babbitt
Morris/McGary/Novak
AD/Plumlee
I still see a square peg gumming up the works though. Unless this 41.4% from 3 by Tyreke is a change and not a mirage. David Wesley seems pretty confident in straight up and down Tyreke, and it is a noticeable change in his form. If Tyreke can hit wide open corner 3s he might be able to play SF and be effective without the ball.
Lawson and Morris both seem like low commitment risks. Lawson has a voidable contract and if Morris goes to jail then I assume he comes off the books too. What I don't like about the trade is it gets rid of all of our SFs. I guess you could do Gordon to OKC for Morrow, Singler, McGary and Novak.
Lawson/Ish
Holiday/Mayo/Morrow
Tyreke/Singler/Babbitt
Morris/McGary/Novak
AD/Plumlee
I still see a square peg gumming up the works though. Unless this 41.4% from 3 by Tyreke is a change and not a mirage. David Wesley seems pretty confident in straight up and down Tyreke, and it is a noticeable change in his form. If Tyreke can hit wide open corner 3s he might be able to play SF and be effective without the ball.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:16 pm to TigerinATL
MM posted this interesting trade on twitter, 3 way with the Bulls and Nets,
Pels get
Joe Johnson
Joakim Noah
Shane Larkin
Nets get
Tyreke
Asik
Taj Gibson
Bulls get
Eric Gordon
Hollis-Jefferson
Thomas Robinson
with "small picks" going to the Pels.
I can definitely see the Nets doing this trade, would the Bulls? That's a good way to clear cap space and maybe Noah is a better fit in the 20-25 MPG center next to AD, and Ryno for that matter, since you'd be moving Asik and Tyreke, you'd have enough money to resign Ryno and you'd have 2 athletic defensive centers to cover for him.
Pels get
Joe Johnson
Joakim Noah
Shane Larkin
Nets get
Tyreke
Asik
Taj Gibson
Bulls get
Eric Gordon
Hollis-Jefferson
Thomas Robinson
with "small picks" going to the Pels.
I can definitely see the Nets doing this trade, would the Bulls? That's a good way to clear cap space and maybe Noah is a better fit in the 20-25 MPG center next to AD, and Ryno for that matter, since you'd be moving Asik and Tyreke, you'd have enough money to resign Ryno and you'd have 2 athletic defensive centers to cover for him.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:25 pm to TigerinATL
Lowe did re-tweet something earlier today about Noah and Gibson being on the block in exchange for a wing.
This post was edited on 12/23/15 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:31 pm to xxKylexx
Is there anyway we can acquire more LSU players?
Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:48 pm to TigerinATL
Repost
Knicks give the fighting booms their 16 and 18 1sts
Knicks give the fighting booms their 16 and 18 1sts
Posted on 12/23/15 at 3:01 pm to LosLobos111
12 ain't being traded 
HOU is just getting healthy and hitting their stride and they're gonna trade the second most important piece to the puzzle?
HOU is just getting healthy and hitting their stride and they're gonna trade the second most important piece to the puzzle? Posted on 12/23/15 at 3:06 pm to Boomshockalocka
[link=(www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2015/12/nba_trade_rumors_from_the_horses_mouth_dwight_howa.html)]straight from the horses mouth[/link]
ain't looking good buddy
ain't looking good buddy
Posted on 12/23/15 at 3:09 pm to LosLobos111
Sheridan isn't someone you can take seriously.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 3:12 pm to Boomshockalocka
Where there's smoke there's fire
By the way what's the deal with lawson ,he gone?
By the way what's the deal with lawson ,he gone?
Posted on 12/23/15 at 3:17 pm to LosLobos111
Nope. He took D12 being not happy with losing and likely opting out at year end and turned it into 12 is unhappy in Houston and wants to be traded.
quote:Hopefully, with the way he's playing I'd rather his minutes go to Thornton. I imagine they'll hold on to him for a bit longer to see if he can find a groove. .
By the way what's the deal with lawson ,he gone?
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