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re: Trade for Westbrook...should we?
Posted on 7/5/16 at 12:45 pm to LesGeaux45
Posted on 7/5/16 at 12:45 pm to LesGeaux45
I think we can stop with the Westbrook nonsense. He is not coming here. There are probably 3-5 teams he will seriously entertain and we aren't in that number. One of those teams will trade for him to get the advantage of offering the 5th year to get a serious leg up on the competition.
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Posted on 7/5/16 at 12:56 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
I mean, yeah sure.
But 10 teams at least could offer better packages.
Sure, 10 teams could offer more than us, but what team is giving up assets for 1 year of westbrook? What team is giving up assets for a player that they have a good chance of signing next summer?
There are very few teams that could actually make a trade happen, because it would be GM suicide to trade anything of long term value for Westbrook.
If we can convince Presti to take Jrue, Reke, and a pick for Westbrook that would be great. Jrue and Reke are expirings, so OKC will have assloads of cap room and they'll get their high lotto pick and our pick as well.
Boston can beat our offer, but other teams around the league aren't going to offer young potential on great contracts for one year of westbrook. Lakers aren't going to offer shite if they think they are the favorite to land him next season.
I mean, I don't think there's any way we can land westbrook in a trade, but I really don't think many teams will be lining up a big trade for him. Why offer long term assets if he's gone after one season? Why offer long term assets if you're confident in signing him next summer?
quote:
The best we could hope for would be if some team offered us a 1st for, say, Tyreke, and we could offer Jrue, Buddy, Diallo, 2 2017 1sts and a 2019 1st.
This would blow any other teams offer out of the fricking water imo, AND it would basically destroy us as a franchise if and when he doesn't re sign with us.
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:00 pm to therick711
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If the Pels could get him without moving Davis, they should.
#boner
quote:
They can't, though, so they won't.
#buzzkill
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:03 pm to gotiger
Do not include Davis and Heild.
No future draft picks without Goatbrook resigning with the Pelicans.
Other than that, I'd give OKC anything they wanted.
No future draft picks without Goatbrook resigning with the Pelicans.
Other than that, I'd give OKC anything they wanted.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:08 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:
Sure, 10 teams could offer more than us, but what team is giving up assets for 1 year of westbrook? What team is giving up assets for a player that they have a good chance of signing next summer?
There are very few teams that could actually make a trade happen, because it would be GM suicide to trade anything of long term value for Westbrook.
You're way off. If he is willing to consider your team, then you are at a huge advantage in the recruiting process having a full year to sell him on your vision and having his bird rights.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:25 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Think about what CP3 got us.
EG, who had just come off a healthy year scoring 22ppg and was only 22 years old. Closest thing to that is Jrue now, and as crazy as it sounds, EG was worth a lot more then than Jrue is now.
Kaman, who was a decent enough 5. Ajinca comparison sort of, although Kaman is probably a good bit better.
Aminu, who was the 8th overall pick the year before, who was very young and raw, but didn't look that great yet. I guess you could call Buddy this, although Buddy now is probalby worth more than Aminu was after his 1st season.
Top 10 pick from Minnesota (Austin Rivers
). Our first next year.
So to compare it to CP3's trade, Jrue/Buddy/Ajinca and next years first for 1 year of Westbrook.
Clippers got 2 years of CP3 before he became a FA.
To say you wouldn't take Westbrook for a year with AD is just silly. The only piece we have outside of AD that has any real future is Buddy, and i'd trade Buddy's potential, even though i'm probably his biggest fan here, for a year of Westbrook, knowing he might leave us after that year.
Westbrook
Moore/Qpon
Hill
AD
Doofus
That is easily a playoff team, and if they have the cap space after the year, after making a good showing, maybe it becomes a lot easier to get a guy like Gordon Hayward to come here to team up with Westbrook and AD. If you can see Hill play that small ball 4 well this year, and then you have a lineup of
Westbrook
Moore/Qpon
Hayward
Hill
AD
That's a championship level team right there, assuming Hill and Moore are worth a shite.
EG, who had just come off a healthy year scoring 22ppg and was only 22 years old. Closest thing to that is Jrue now, and as crazy as it sounds, EG was worth a lot more then than Jrue is now.
Kaman, who was a decent enough 5. Ajinca comparison sort of, although Kaman is probably a good bit better.
Aminu, who was the 8th overall pick the year before, who was very young and raw, but didn't look that great yet. I guess you could call Buddy this, although Buddy now is probalby worth more than Aminu was after his 1st season.
Top 10 pick from Minnesota (Austin Rivers
). Our first next year. So to compare it to CP3's trade, Jrue/Buddy/Ajinca and next years first for 1 year of Westbrook.
Clippers got 2 years of CP3 before he became a FA.
To say you wouldn't take Westbrook for a year with AD is just silly. The only piece we have outside of AD that has any real future is Buddy, and i'd trade Buddy's potential, even though i'm probably his biggest fan here, for a year of Westbrook, knowing he might leave us after that year.
Westbrook
Moore/Qpon
Hill
AD
Doofus
That is easily a playoff team, and if they have the cap space after the year, after making a good showing, maybe it becomes a lot easier to get a guy like Gordon Hayward to come here to team up with Westbrook and AD. If you can see Hill play that small ball 4 well this year, and then you have a lineup of
Westbrook
Moore/Qpon
Hayward
Hill
AD
That's a championship level team right there, assuming Hill and Moore are worth a shite.
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:36 pm to WeeWee
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:38 pm to TeddyPadillac
I agree and if you would have any chance of signing him long term having for a year to get used to Nola and playing with AD would be the only way
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:38 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
So to compare it to CP3's trade, Jrue/Buddy/Ajinca and next years first for 1 year of Westbrook.
Clippers got 2 years of CP3 before he became a FA.
Paul had a player option so it was only 1 year they were technically trading for in negotiations. And if Russ says that the only place he wants to play is New Orleans and we can get a sweet deal like the Clippers did, then that is awesome, but it's not happening. BOS And LAL both will outbid us to get his bird rights. Lots of teams will be bidding.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:46 pm to NOFOX
Lakers I agree they have way more to offer but I think Boston assets get overstated they have a lot of picks but the players they have are not that great. There is a reason they couldn't get jimmy butler
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:50 pm to NOFOX
Assets we have that are relatively appealing:
Holiday, Evans, Hield, Ajinca, and 1st round pick
Assets Boston has that are relatively appealing:
Swap 1st with Brooklyn (predicted top 10), Crowder, Brown, Thomas, Smart, and Bradley
Assets LAL has that are relatively appealing:
Ingram, Russell, Randle, Clarkson, and 1st round pick
Of those 3 teams, the one who can create the best package is the LAL, but they won't gut their team for him. Boston could send the best realistic package while not really gutting their team. We are sending a bench of "middling" players with not much upside.
I would take Boston's offer which is most likely:
Thomas and Smart
One of Brown or Crowder
1st round pick
They would pretty much have upgraded at PG, lost depth at guard, given up either a solid SF in Crowder or a solid boom/bust prospect in Brown, and next year's 1st.
Holiday, Evans, Hield, Ajinca, and 1st round pick
Assets Boston has that are relatively appealing:
Swap 1st with Brooklyn (predicted top 10), Crowder, Brown, Thomas, Smart, and Bradley
Assets LAL has that are relatively appealing:
Ingram, Russell, Randle, Clarkson, and 1st round pick
Of those 3 teams, the one who can create the best package is the LAL, but they won't gut their team for him. Boston could send the best realistic package while not really gutting their team. We are sending a bench of "middling" players with not much upside.
I would take Boston's offer which is most likely:
Thomas and Smart
One of Brown or Crowder
1st round pick
They would pretty much have upgraded at PG, lost depth at guard, given up either a solid SF in Crowder or a solid boom/bust prospect in Brown, and next year's 1st.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:53 pm to NOFOX
quote:
You're way off. If he is willing to consider your team, then you are at a huge advantage in the recruiting process having a full year to sell him on your vision and having his bird rights.
Enough to give up a ton of picks and young assets on good contracts? I don't think so. Only Boston appears to be a team that can offer this without fricking their team.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:09 pm to NOFOX
quote:
Paul had a player option so it was only 1 year they were technically trading for in negotiations
He publicly stated that he would not opt out after he was traded, so he was pretty much saying you get me for two years. Not that i would put it past him, but it would have been a pretty dick move to opt out after the first year after saying that.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:42 pm to gotiger
Only way this would be possible is if we're in playoff contention at trade deadline and OKC is not and they just have to dump him for anything. We'd have to risk him not resigning too. I also don't think OKC will be out of playoff picture by trade deadline either.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:59 pm to BSB1988
quote:
Lakers I agree they have way more to offer but I think Boston assets get overstated they have a lot of picks but the players they have are not that great. There is a reason they couldn't get jimmy butler
I totally agree with this, but they are better than our shite assets. Boston needed to make a trade at the deadline last year when the Boston pick was still really valuable. They probably could have gotten something done if Ainge wasn't alsways trying to get overon other GM's in every transaction.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 4:03 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:The Pels wouldn't dream of giving those 3 assets up for 1 year of Westbrook, terrible deal for the Pels, you got it the wrong way.
the only assets we have are Jrue, Buddy and a 1st round pick, and that's not enough for even a one year rental of him.
quote:No, not at all.
I would bet the Lakers are calling non stop offering whatever the hell OKC wants.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 4:05 pm to BayouFann
quote:So you just gave up Reke, Jrue, an entire draft, a 2019 1st for basically Steven Adams and 1 year of Westbrook?
Tyreke, Jrue, Asik, entire 2017 draft and our 2019 1st for Westbrook and Steven Adams
Posted on 7/5/16 at 5:41 pm to shel311
quote:
shel311
Yea I don't understand where people are coming from with these offers.
OKC is in a fricking horrible position in terms of leverage. Russ has reportedly said he's not signing an extension period so his trade value is at an all time low.
If I had to guess, either Boston offers a decent package, because they can offer a decent package without selling out their entire team and they want a leg up on the competition of realistic landing spots next summer, or OKC just loses him for nothing next summer because Presti isn't going to want to take back 50 cents on the dollar for trading Westbrook.
Virtually no other team is in Boston's position, and LA would be stupid to trade away several pieces of their young core and/or picks when Russ wouldn't even get them to the playoffs this year. AND they are a contender to land him next summer anyway.
Only other thing is if some dumbass owner is willing to punt 2017 and beyond just to get around 80-85 games of Westbrook.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 6:13 pm to gotiger
Anyone that'd trade assets not called Lakers will be upset after next season. He's going to go West .....
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