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Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:44 pm to Lester Earl
Maybe, but this move reeks of a setup.
It's to clear cap for SOMETHING and got another 2nd for something.
It's part 1 of a plan of some sort.
It's to clear cap for SOMETHING and got another 2nd for something.
It's part 1 of a plan of some sort.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:47 pm to Fun Bunch
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Maybe, but this move reeks of a setup.
It's to clear cap for SOMETHING and got another 2nd for something.
It's part 1 of a plan of some sort.
I've heard that before with Derps and it's usually just fans speculating and creating ways to feel better about shitty moves he makes.
ETA - Moving Frazier doesn't affect the needle, but I just don't believe anything Dell does is part of a grand scheme. If it is, it's mostly a fantasy.
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:47 pm to cgrand
I posted same in other thread.
Also used as leverage against Jrue
Also used as leverage against Jrue
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:50 pm to cgrand
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man if they could move ajinca's 5 and qpons 3.5 they could cobble together real cap space
along with an asik stretch I assume
that's three dead roster spots they could turn into a real player
QPon is a dead spot. Frazier is close to it. But Ajinca isn't unless Asik comes back and is semi-competent. Even if Diallo takes a big step, we may not keep DC. Plus AD/DC are going to miss games.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:51 pm to Jester
I hear what you're saying but they are clearly looking to dump and acquire easily movable free assets.
Trying to use 2nds to move QPon/Ajinca most likely.
Trying to use 2nds to move QPon/Ajinca most likely.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:54 pm to THRILLHO
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QPon is a dead spot. Frazier is close to it. But Ajinca isn't unless Asik comes back and is semi-competent. Even if Diallo takes a big step, we may not keep DC. Plus AD/DC are going to miss games.
Agree completely. Ajinca's contract isn't bad at all and you need backup bigs who can give your guys some rest. If they intend to keep Asik around and give him those minutes, Ajinca isn't needed, but I don't think that's the case at all.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 10:03 pm to Jester
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I've heard that before with Derps and it's usually just fans speculating and creating ways to feel better about shitty moves he makes.
Last month there was a new Boss Stern interview where he talked about the vetoed trade and Stern himself said they had a 1st lined up for Odom, something you've always dismissed as fan fiction.
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On the podcast, Stern said he felt the trade could have been reworked but said talks fell apart when Kupchak traded Odom days after the original deal was vetoed.
"In the course of the weekend, we thought we could redo the deal," Stern said. "We really thought that Houston would be ready to part with [Kyle] Lowry, and we had a trade lined up for Odom that would have gotten us a good first-round draft pick. Not we, but my basketball folks.
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 10:09 pm to Fun Bunch
I don't know if they move Qpon, but I wonder if they can dump Ajinca by attaching the 52nd pick. That would give them 27 mil in cap space, if they stretch Asik and Jrue walks.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 10:24 pm to TigerinATL
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Last month there was a new Boss Stern interview where he talked about the vetoed trade and Stern himself said they had a 1st lined up for Odom, something you've always dismissed as fan fiction.
So a late lottery pick, dragic, scola, 2nd for CP3 with the potential that Houston would have traded Lowry instead of one of those pieces, presumably the 1st or Dragic? In hindsight Dragic and Lowry are better pieces than anything the Pels landed. I guess it's unfair to Demps to say he didn't see anything there ahead of time.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 10:28 pm to TigerinATL
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we had a trade lined up for Odom that would have gotten us a good first-round draft pick. Not we, but my basketball folks.
So, Dell told him that. Yet Houston's GM who is far craftier and smarter couldn't swing anything approaching a "good first-round" pick? Frankly, I wouldn't expect Stern to say he vetoed it because Dell is incompetent.
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 6/21/17 at 10:52 pm to Jester
rather play 4 on 5 than see any ajinca
he makes my eyes bleed
he makes my eyes bleed
Posted on 6/21/17 at 11:15 pm to lsu31always
Happy that Cook will get more minutes. Hate to see Frazier go. He played hard. Quinn Cook gonna eat tho. 
Posted on 6/21/17 at 11:25 pm to ShamelessPel
Dell is a great talent evaluater and finding guys in the rough, his issue is being to trigger happy with draft picks and not cutting lost causes.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:06 am to Crewz
Hey MM just wondering, given your criteria for getting a solid player using 2nd rounders, do you think the underclassmen or draft and stash type player is a waste?
Or do you think a draft and stash is better than underclassmen, or do you it's not a big deal because it's just a 2nd pick?
Or do you think a draft and stash is better than underclassmen, or do you it's not a big deal because it's just a 2nd pick?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:36 am to bayouboy318
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NBA teams are making moves to aquire Butler, George and other big name players. Demps got us pick 52. Sorry if I'm not jumping for joy.
This is just so wrong, where to begin.
For one, Jimmy Butler and PG are both perennial all-stars but because of there differing contracts both of there respective franchises will go about differently negotiating/putting feelers out for them. Indiana has very little to no leverage. There are very few teams in reality one that will give away the "farm" for PG as he is a rental, every team gave them a call because he actually said trade me and no matter what happens this year (he makes all-nba or not) im not coming back.
Every team would take 30 seconds to call and say hey we have young players and maybe a pick or two, to which all Larry can say is Atlanta already offered me 4 first rounders, and the C's/Lakers can all offer me 3+.
Nobody is jumping for joy that we got the 52nd pick believe me, and nobody is upset we "gave" away Tim Frazier. Fact is having a second pick in this draft is very beneficial. Its a deep draft and the strategy to draft an NBA ready big, combo guard or point late in the draft will be there. Knowing Dell and coming from the Spurs the 52 could be a draft and stash, or again a project knowing we are about to get our own G-League team and groom that guy in close proximity. For all of Dell Demps faults this was the right decision and honestly a very easy one.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:37 am to Tin_Food
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:43 am to Tin_Food
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Or do you think a draft and stash is better than underclassmen, or do you it's not a big deal because it's just a 2nd pick?
Just my opinion I think euro big men that are draft and stashes are generally better than underclassmen, but really at the second round level when it comes to guards no matter where in the world you are throwing darts, unless you look for one or two specific talents/traits, and have a system in place that not only utilizes those few specific tools but also have faith in your developing of young guys.
I could see a combo guard like a Sid Thornwell with our first pick and a draft and stash big with our second. Ajinca has two years left as does Diallo, stash a big for two years and it would make sense in two to bring him over. Unfortunately we have Asik for 3 more lean years. But in his last year if he can be a marginally good rebounder we should be able to flip him at the deadline, long time away but still.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:54 am to CoastTrashTiger
Let me be very clear to those who are buthurt over my statement. I could give two cents about Tim Frazier or where he goes. My problem lies with the front office of the Pelicans. Other teams are making moves to aquire good players and high draft picks. Outside of Cousins, Demps has been absolutely horrible. We have a team full of D league players to pair with AD and Boogie. We have horrible contracts ( Asik for example ). Pardon me if I don't get excited about a 52 overall pick. This front office is a disaster and it doesn't look like there's improvement anytime soon. Everyone can get on the Demps bandwagon and praise the Tim Frazier trade; I'd rather walk.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:05 am to bayouboy318
It's not so much about the pick but the cap flexibility created by the trade. IF they can move Ajinca & QPon and stretch Asik that's near max cap room for a Lowry or equivalent talent. Worst case it allows Dell to call Jrue's bluff and sign him for a little less than anticipated and then go out and fill out the roster. The problem is you lose the MLE. However you can still do uneven trades using our 2018 1st, if need be.
I'm not saying Dell is great, but right now he's being smart.
I'm not saying Dell is great, but right now he's being smart.
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