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re: Thread for those who think this is a good hire
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:17 pm to GynoSandberg
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:17 pm to GynoSandberg
I know. What's your point.
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Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:19 pm to GynoSandberg
You took the words right out of my mouth.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:19 pm to Fearthehat0307
It's not Jeff Van Gundy, so I'm happy. I will reserve "good hire" for the assistants.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:22 pm to ShamelessPel
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I will reserve "good hire" for the assistants.
That's reasonable.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:23 pm to Fun Bunch
You're attempting to paint the picture that Gentry had a roster with stud players and failed
He had a 35-36-37 year old Nash and Amare for one season.
All you have to do is look at his rosters instead of judging on Win-loss. This will be the best roster he has ever had. You are being over dramatic
He had a 35-36-37 year old Nash and Amare for one season.
All you have to do is look at his rosters instead of judging on Win-loss. This will be the best roster he has ever had. You are being over dramatic
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:26 pm to VOR
I'm really having a hard time with anyone being happy about the hire
I can totally understand "reserved" or "wait and see" or "well the offense will have identity, we'll see about the rest". But there is absolutely no defending "excited" or "happy". The facts are he has had shitty records every year but one over a very, very large sample size.
I'm in wait and see mode. I'll see who he hires. I'll see how they perform.
But the condescending tone over those who aren't happy is extremely perplexing considering those people actually have an argument and facts for a change.
I can totally understand "reserved" or "wait and see" or "well the offense will have identity, we'll see about the rest". But there is absolutely no defending "excited" or "happy". The facts are he has had shitty records every year but one over a very, very large sample size.
I'm in wait and see mode. I'll see who he hires. I'll see how they perform.
But the condescending tone over those who aren't happy is extremely perplexing considering those people actually have an argument and facts for a change.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:26 pm to GynoSandberg
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This will be the best roster he has ever had.
That was my point, as well. It will be interesting to see what he does.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:29 pm to GynoSandberg
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All you have to do is look at his rosters instead of judging on Win-loss. This will be the best roster he has ever had. You are being over dramatic
I totally get that. For a coach who has 3 seasons. Or even 5. Context is important.
This dude has 12. TWELVE. Good coaches win over that amount of time.
Like I said, I'm giving him a chance. We'll see. But those looking down on those who are not happy is extremely weird.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:30 pm to Fun Bunch
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But those looking down on those who are not happy is extremely weird.
The degree of hysteria on the part of the naysayers is extremely weird, bro.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:34 pm to Fun Bunch
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I'm really having a hard time with anyone being happy about the hire
I'm happy because Gentry is widely considered one of the best offensive coaches in basketball. Out of all the candidates, his style of ball is the most successful in this stage of the NBA.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:36 pm to Fun Bunch
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But those looking down on those who are not happy is extremely weird.
Do you think he'll be better than Monty, or at least better for this roster than Monty? I get that people think there were much better choices, I'm one of those people, but we were in a no lose situation once guys like Avery and Mark Jackson were out of the picture.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:38 pm to TigerinATL
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we were in a no lose situation once guys like Avery and Mark Jackson were out of the picture.
You can say that again. And this roster should be far more successful under Gentry.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:39 pm to TigerinATL
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Do you think he'll be better than Monty, or at least better for this roster than Monty?
Absolutely
It's a great fit for AD and this roster
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:39 pm to TigerinATL
His offense will be way better than Monty's. Monty's was dogshit despite us being ranked so highly.
We were 27th in pace. That was extremely frustrating. I'm excited about the offense.
But there's a reason why this guy has failed so consistently over such a long period of time, and rosters is a lazy answer.
Hopefully he's learned.
We were 27th in pace. That was extremely frustrating. I'm excited about the offense.
But there's a reason why this guy has failed so consistently over such a long period of time, and rosters is a lazy answer.
Hopefully he's learned.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:41 pm to Fun Bunch
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TWELVE.
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94-95 in MIA he took over mid season (36 games)
97-98 in DET he took over mid season
08-09 in PHO he took over mid season
The Clipper job was the only job he got outright. I think it is well documented that they were the worst franchise in the league for about a 10 year stretch. His rosters were terrible
In DET, he took over midseason, got 1 full season, then another half of a season. He had Grant Hill and Bison Dele lol. Do you really want to judge a guy off that?
And like I said, he had an old Nash and 1 year of Amare in PHO and still did pretty good, considering.
I just think there is a lot more to consider with Gentry, not just Win Loss
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:46 pm to GynoSandberg
I understand all that, and those are fair points. I examined it all and every single one of his rosters when we first interviewed him.
But the fact remains: he had a tremendous amount of chances and failed. Again. And again. And again.
Context is important. But nothing matters more than W/L with that kind of sample size.
Once again, there are things I'm excited about. The offense will be everything I want and the opposite of Monty Ball. The staff possibilities are nice.
But I'm not optimistic. I think neutral should be about what everyone should be on this, but have at it.
But the fact remains: he had a tremendous amount of chances and failed. Again. And again. And again.
Context is important. But nothing matters more than W/L with that kind of sample size.
Once again, there are things I'm excited about. The offense will be everything I want and the opposite of Monty Ball. The staff possibilities are nice.
But I'm not optimistic. I think neutral should be about what everyone should be on this, but have at it.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:47 pm to GynoSandberg
AD finna eat
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:48 pm to Fun Bunch
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But nothing matters more than W/L with that kind of sample size.
Other than context.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:49 pm to GynoSandberg
It was pretty well known that Sarver was cheap, and let that roster fall apart.
I guess everyone looking at records must think Del Negro would have been a better hire than Gentry.
I guess everyone looking at records must think Del Negro would have been a better hire than Gentry.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:51 pm to Fun Bunch
I think context is important with regards to Gentry. It's not like he was handed the keys to multiple teams and failed. Outside of the Clippers gig, he became interim then full time coach in some lose lose situations. The Clips and Sterling at the time were an absolute joke.
I just cant judge a coach on teams he took over midseason and the 2000s era Clippers.
I dont think anyone is really "excited". No coach we were rumored in really excited me, I assume most feel the same.
I just cant judge a coach on teams he took over midseason and the 2000s era Clippers.
I dont think anyone is really "excited". No coach we were rumored in really excited me, I assume most feel the same.
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