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tBW: Could Greg Monroe now be a possibility?
Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:13 pm
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Greg Monroe coming to New Orleans just increased as a possibility. As long as Monty Williams was the head coach I could not fathom the New Orleans Pelicans organization letting Omer Asik walk and going after a less defensively accomplished center. Monty has now been fired and the possibility that "Moose" coming home to the Crescent City, however limited, is a rising stock.
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In a prospective sign-and-trade the Pelicans could send out Ryan Anderson ($8.5 Million owed) and the unguaranteed contract of Toney Douglas ($1,185,784). With that amount going out New Orleans can receive $14,628,676 ([8,500,000 + 1,185,784 * 1.5] + 100,000) according to the NBA CBA. Toss in 4.5% raises and the total value of the contract is four years and slightly under $62.5 Million. Will that $5 Million difference keep the Pelicans out of Moose Season? It is difficult to say. Their offer would be competitive, but it is unlikely it would be the max.
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Will that hamstring the future? More so than re-signing Omer Asik, but not egregiously so. The cap jump in 2016 is so massive that there are few conceivable moves the Pelicans could make that will eliminate it altogether. Instead of having roughly $21M in space with Asik, New Orleans would have about $17.5M if they go after Monroe instead.
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Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:26 pm to Fun Bunch
I think Thibs would probably prefer to keep Asik.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:28 pm to Fun Bunch
Well, this is very much intriguing b/c in Asik we are literally playing 4 on 5 ball when we are on offense and there are times where he gets in the way of the flow of the offense. Asik is solid on the defensive side of the court though.
Monroe is a more polished offensively and would compliment AD well, but lacks defensive ability.
The question when evaluating this type of trade should be which player's inefficiencies pose the greater net risk to the team. Is it Asik clumsiness on the offensive side of the ball or Monroe's ineptness on the defensive of the ball?
Monroe is a more polished offensively and would compliment AD well, but lacks defensive ability.
The question when evaluating this type of trade should be which player's inefficiencies pose the greater net risk to the team. Is it Asik clumsiness on the offensive side of the ball or Monroe's ineptness on the defensive of the ball?
Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:28 pm to Fun Bunch
Monroe's lack of rim protection means you need to tighten up your perimeter defense, and his cost means you'd only have the MLE to do it since you'd likely be giving up Anderson and letting Asik walk just to get him. It's a move with indirect expenses like getting Tyreke meaning we may feel different in 6 months, but right now I can't see any bad directions for the team since the fog has been lifted 
Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:32 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
Well I think its a given that if Thibs is the coach we don't make this move or even consider it.
But if its a Hoiberg or a Atkinson type? I think its a consideration.
Monroe is a terrible rim protector and our biggest weakness was defense. On the flipside, he's a good rebounder and a x100000000000 times better offensive player than Asik.
He'd also be getting paid 5 million + more than OA.
But if its a Hoiberg or a Atkinson type? I think its a consideration.
Monroe is a terrible rim protector and our biggest weakness was defense. On the flipside, he's a good rebounder and a x100000000000 times better offensive player than Asik.
He'd also be getting paid 5 million + more than OA.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:34 pm to Epic Cajun
I'm down with this scenario. I think one thing is for sure, though. If Thibs is our guy, then both Evans and Anderson are gone. The only question is are they traded for players or draft picks.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:39 pm to Fun Bunch
What SFs could be had for the MLE? Will Dorell Wright get more? Jared Dudley? Luc Mbah a Moute (can't hit a 3 to save his life but is an excellent defender)?
Could you make a roster of, say, Holiday/Gordon/Moute/Davis/Monroe with Tyreke/Cole off the bench and then maybe say a Rasual Butler as a vet min guy. Does that team have enough spacing? Would it even work? I don't know.
Could you make a roster of, say, Holiday/Gordon/Moute/Davis/Monroe with Tyreke/Cole off the bench and then maybe say a Rasual Butler as a vet min guy. Does that team have enough spacing? Would it even work? I don't know.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:40 pm to Fun Bunch
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Luc Mbah a Moute (can't hit a 3 to save his life but is an excellent defender)
And could play the 4 in a small lineup with AD at center.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:42 pm to Fun Bunch
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Monroe is a terrible rim protector and our biggest weakness was defense. On the flipside, he's a good rebounder and a x100000000000 times better offensive player than Asik.
I think this is why the team wouldn't make the move. The main issue of the team isn't offense, there is enough of that to go around on the team. The main inadequacy of the team is defense, so it doesn't really make sense to move one of your best defensive pieces for an offensive piece.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:44 pm to Fun Bunch
Plus he probably won't sit when the game is on the line.
The only way I could stomach another year of Asik is if Thibodeaux is the next coach. Any other coach, let this dude walk. Gimme Koufus, idgaf. This franchise just got a rebirth.
The only way I could stomach another year of Asik is if Thibodeaux is the next coach. Any other coach, let this dude walk. Gimme Koufus, idgaf. This franchise just got a rebirth.
This post was edited on 5/14/15 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:44 pm to Fun Bunch
You guys are not thinking big enough. We're going with AD, OA, and Monroe after we ship out ryno and tyreke
Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:45 pm to HickfawJim1
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If Thibs is our guy, then both Evans and Anderson are gone. The only question is are they traded for players or draft picks.
If we hire Thibs I would try and trade Ryno for Deng and bring in Mike Dunleavy with the MLE. Dunleavy helps replace Ryno with a player we know Thibs will play and because we know Thibs will play him, it gives him a guy he trusts enough not to run Deng into the ground again. Then trade Tyreke for backup defensive bigs and future assets.
Holiday/Cole
Gordon/Pondexter
Deng/Dunleavy
AD/TyrekeTrade/Cunningham
Asik/Ajinca/Withey
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We're going with AD, OA, and Monroe after we ship out ryno and tyreke
I could see that. With the escalating cap $50 million on a 3 big rotation isn't quite as crazy as it sounds. Especially if you have most of your big pieces in place already (assuming Deng/Dunleavy solidifes the SF spot).
This post was edited on 5/14/15 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:46 pm to Fun Bunch
How do we know Asik isn't a Dell-type of player?
Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:49 pm to Let Me Take A Selfie
Monroe is pretty much all but a New York Knick...that was rumors during the season and seems like it will head that way...
Outside of the NOLA connection, I don't see it happening
Outside of the NOLA connection, I don't see it happening
Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:53 pm to Fun Bunch
Asik needs to be gone so badly it's comical that people still want him. He's getting paid to sit on the bench in the 4th. Asik is such a liability on offense that teams easily double up on AD because they know Asik won't do shittttt. Yall want AD to keep getting double teamed and forced to pass on possessions, then keep Omer Asik. You want AD to get better on that end of the floor? Get rid of him. We barely improved on D this season so idk how Monroe could be any worse knowing that he will 100% make up for it on offense.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:53 pm to longhorn22
You have to think that getting Monroe is pretty much like giving up two assets: Ryan Anderson and Omer Asik.
Is he that much of an upgrade?
Personally, I would love to see a Davis/Monroe combo in theory, but in practicality, I just don't see it.
I'm not sure my sanity can take another year of Asik being a retard on offense...with the caveat being if Thibs is the coach, I think that he can get the most out of him.
Is he that much of an upgrade?
Personally, I would love to see a Davis/Monroe combo in theory, but in practicality, I just don't see it.
I'm not sure my sanity can take another year of Asik being a retard on offense...with the caveat being if Thibs is the coach, I think that he can get the most out of him.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:54 pm to Fun Bunch
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x100000000000 times better offensive player than Asik.
He has twice as many points and assists, but Asik shoots a higher percentage. Monroe is better at the line.
Very similar rebounding numbers.
Oh, and he has 2.2 TO/game compared to 1.3 for Asik.
This post was edited on 5/14/15 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:54 pm to TigerinATL
Let's be honest. If we can re-sign Cole and holiday is truly healthy, shipping tyreke would make sense. Might be able to get a true starting SF
Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:54 pm to Fun Bunch
I wouldn't hate it, but my first choice is to pass on Monroe. If you're going to pay that much for a Center, he should be able to protect the rim.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 3:55 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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He has twice as many points and assists, but Asik shoots a higher percentage. Monroe is better at the line.
Very similar rebounding numbers.
Come on man. Come on.
Monroe is a significantly better offensive player. It is not even close.
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