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re: Stein: Miami, Dallas, Pels will be at the forefront of the pursuit of Lowry
Posted on 7/30/21 at 1:46 pm to touchdownjeebus
Posted on 7/30/21 at 1:46 pm to touchdownjeebus
I definitely take 4 years of zo at 20 vs 3 years of lowry at 30.
We know zo's current limitations, but the fact is he is 23 and improving every year. He may not ever live up to 20 million a year, but it wouldn't be a total shock if that contract doesn't look that bad starting in year 2 or 3.
On the flipside a Lowry contract will almost certainly look worse in year 2 and possibly really bad in year 3.
We know zo's current limitations, but the fact is he is 23 and improving every year. He may not ever live up to 20 million a year, but it wouldn't be a total shock if that contract doesn't look that bad starting in year 2 or 3.
On the flipside a Lowry contract will almost certainly look worse in year 2 and possibly really bad in year 3.
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Posted on 7/30/21 at 1:47 pm to JohnnyKilroy
yeah i legitimately don't get it
Posted on 7/30/21 at 1:50 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Yeah like I said, it is definitely not all about play but presence.
I think the FO is...less than impressed with Ball's lockerroom and on court presence beyond just statistics, and I think that is what they are digging for.
I think the FO is...less than impressed with Ball's lockerroom and on court presence beyond just statistics, and I think that is what they are digging for.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 1:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
A lot of people think this is Lowry vs. Lonzo and I don't think that's the case at all. I think Griff freed up salary to bring in 2 starting guards. I think it's more like
PG:
Lowry
Dinwiddie
Rozier
Dragic
SG:
Brogdon
Lonzo
Ingles
You can't exactly mix and match because someone like Rozier probably comes over in a Lonzo S&T, but the basic point is Griff isn't choosing to overpay Lowry or Lonzo, he'd like to overpay them both.
PG:
Lowry
Dinwiddie
Rozier
Dragic
SG:
Brogdon
Lonzo
Ingles
You can't exactly mix and match because someone like Rozier probably comes over in a Lonzo S&T, but the basic point is Griff isn't choosing to overpay Lowry or Lonzo, he'd like to overpay them both.
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 7/30/21 at 1:53 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
he'd like to overpay them both.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 1:56 pm to Fun Bunch
Haven't heard anything regarding the locker room. Idk.
Pels have also gotten burned twice bringing on the culture/leadership vet that unabashedly poisons the well for our young guys/core
Perkins
JJ
Not saying Lowry would do that but....
Pels have also gotten burned twice bringing on the culture/leadership vet that unabashedly poisons the well for our young guys/core
Perkins
JJ
Not saying Lowry would do that but....
Posted on 7/30/21 at 1:56 pm to Fun Bunch
Pelicans need a PG that knows what to do in close game situations. I can't ever see Lonzo bringing the ball up in a tie game with 10 seconds left and being clutch. He's a secondary ball handler with an inconsistent shot. Zion may like him, but he'll like the guy that helps him win a lot more. If that guy is Lowry, fine. If it's Sexton or Brogdon, ok. But I know it's not Lonzo. He can be a good player somewhere else but we need a guard that isn't afraid to take the last shot with a game on the line
Posted on 7/30/21 at 2:27 pm to purplepylon
Bingo!!
You are correct sir.. We lost many of close games last year with no leadership 8n the crunch time at the end of the game.
Lonzo would rather pass up the open lay up than put the game on his shoulders
You are correct sir.. We lost many of close games last year with no leadership 8n the crunch time at the end of the game.
Lonzo would rather pass up the open lay up than put the game on his shoulders
Posted on 7/30/21 at 2:43 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Don't think we realistically have the cap space now and in the future to do that unless someone comes cheaply. Of those players, cap-wise, I can see one of the PGs with Ingles, but not the other 2 SGs.
A lot of people think this is Lowry vs. Lonzo and I don't think that's the case at all. I think Griff freed up salary to bring in 2 starting guards. I think it's more like
PG:
Lowry
Dinwiddie
Rozier
Dragic
SG:
Brogdon
Lonzo
Ingles
You can't exactly mix and match because someone like Rozier probably comes over in a Lonzo S&T, but the basic point is Griff isn't choosing to overpay Lowry or Lonzo, he'd like to overpay them both.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 2:45 pm to TigerinATL
Bring back Lonzo for a cheaper price, sign or trade for a vet sg with the savings. Lonzo is still showing improvement and on social media it looks like he's working on attacking the rim. He'll have more trade value in the future than Lowry if things don't work out, Zion stays happy, plus we upgrade the SG position over the bum who was traded..
Posted on 7/30/21 at 2:56 pm to M3From225
quote:Problem is we really have no control over that.
Bring back Lonzo for a cheaper price
Posted on 7/30/21 at 2:57 pm to M3From225
PG: I hate it buts gonna be Lowry.
Bring in Caruso and Torrey Craig, I like the idea of getting g guys in their mid 20's with something to fight for. They're good players but that still have something to prove.
Resign Hart and S&T Lonzo for whatever you can get.
Bring in Caruso and Torrey Craig, I like the idea of getting g guys in their mid 20's with something to fight for. They're good players but that still have something to prove.
Resign Hart and S&T Lonzo for whatever you can get.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 2:58 pm to Corporal Beavis
quote:How would we bring in both? We couldn't fit both in the MLE, and they're not taking discounts to come to New Orleans.
Bring in Caruso and Torrey Craig
Posted on 7/30/21 at 3:03 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
Don't think we realistically have the cap space now and in the future to do that unless someone comes cheaply. Of those players, cap-wise, I can see one of the PGs with Ingles, but not the other 2 SGs.
We have 76 mil on the books right now.
Lowry + Brogdon shouldn't be more than 52 mil combined, and that would most likely be the most expensive pairing. That's only 128 mil, still 4 mil under the tax.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 3:04 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
Lowry + Brogdon shouldn't be more than 52 mil combined, and that would most likely be the most expensive pairing. That's only 128 mil, still 4 mil under the tax.
4 million under the tax doesn't give a lot of room to make other moves throughout the season. That would be tough. Would still be lacking some serious depth.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 3:08 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
Lowry + Brogdon
i get it. Its not IDEAL.
But we have worked ourselves into such a lather that more than half this board is going to be mad at adding Kyle Lowry and Malcolm Brogdon to this squad.
Think about that.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 3:20 pm to shel311
I would prioritize signing guys like Caruso and Craig over Lowry. Like many other have said Lonzo would be better to resign than Lowry cause there's a damn good chance that Lonzo at 20 mil will be more of an asset than Lowry at 30 mil in a year or two. Also I'm not sold on bringing in a 35 year old vet to be a leader. Get someone a little younger for our guys.
I'm totally against signing Lowry cause of how unflexible it makes us next year. Caruso + another cheap guard + ingles/Craig can help us win this year and maintain flexibility.
I'm totally against signing Lowry cause of how unflexible it makes us next year. Caruso + another cheap guard + ingles/Craig can help us win this year and maintain flexibility.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 3:21 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:That was sort of a "worst case" cap situation. We could probably manufacture about 6-7 mil, and Lowry may come at 28 rather than 30.
4 million under the tax doesn't give a lot of room to make other moves throughout the season. That would be tough. Would still be lacking some serious depth
Posted on 7/30/21 at 3:22 pm to Corporal Beavis
quote:Who are our starting guards in this scenario?
I would prioritize signing guys like Caruso and Craig over Lowry. Like many other have said Lonzo would be better to resign than Lowry cause there's a damn good chance that Lonzo at 20 mil will be more of an asset than Lowry at 30 mil in a year or two. Also I'm not sold on bringing in a 35 year old vet to be a leader. Get someone a little younger for our guys.
I'm totally against signing Lowry cause of how unflexible it makes us next year. Caruso + another cheap guard + ingles/Craig can help us win this year and maintain flexibility.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 3:43 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:That would be renouncing Hart and not using MLE (and likely signing Willy to BAE or less to fit in the remaining $4 million) and using last spot on a 2-way. So, I guess, technically we could do it and figure out how to fill the roster the following year later.
We have 76 mil on the books right now.
Lowry + Brogdon shouldn't be more than 52 mil combined, and that would most likely be the most expensive pairing. That's only 128 mil, still 4 mil under the tax.
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