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Sign Jonathon Simmons!!
Posted on 7/7/17 at 6:48 am
Posted on 7/7/17 at 6:48 am
With the Spurs signing Rudy Gay, I believe we should seriously look to signing J. Simmons. Athletic wingman who could compete with Hill for the starting SF spot.
Regressed a bit from 3 last year, but that might be an anomaly over his career. Solid defender who can matchup with GS wing players.
Regressed a bit from 3 last year, but that might be an anomaly over his career. Solid defender who can matchup with GS wing players.
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Posted on 7/7/17 at 6:51 am to irvchilichill1
With what money? It sounds like we only offered Nick Young the $5.2 million taxpayer MLE because if you offer the full MLE and go into the tax after you're hard capped which limits moves you can make later in the year.
This post was edited on 7/7/17 at 6:52 am
Posted on 7/7/17 at 6:53 am to irvchilichill1
With the Spurs having his early bird rights I don't think they can go over cap to sign him and they only have $5m in space so I may be possible. Someone with a better understanding of the cap can probably better verify that.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 6:55 am to BallHawk
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With the Spurs having his early bird rights I don't think they can go over cap to sign him
That's what early bird rights do, they let you go over the cap, it's an exception like bird rights. I don't have time to look up the new amount, but it used to let you go up to the MLE, so they might be able to offer $8.4 million. But do they even have his early bird rights? He has to be on their roster for 2 years for that, I thought he was new this past year.
This post was edited on 7/7/17 at 6:56 am
Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:02 am to TigerinATL
ATL, you're right about Early Bird...was thinking you couldn't go over in that case but you can just a more limited salary.
From Larry Coon:
He's been with the Spurs the last two years so yes they have his Early Bird rights.
From Larry Coon:
quote:
EARLY BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is a weaker form of the Larry Bird exception. It also allows teams to exceed the cap to re-sign their own free agents, but with more limited contracts than the Larry Bird exception. To qualify for this exception the player must play for two seasons without clearing waivers or changing teams as a free agent (see question number 32 for details and nuances to this rule). A team may use the Early Bird exception to re-sign its own free agent for up to 175% of his salary in the previous season (not over the maximum salary, of course) or 105% of the average salary in the previous season3, whichever is greater (see question number 31 for the definition of "average salary"). Early Bird contracts must be at least two seasons in length, which prevents teams from using the Early Bird to sign a one-year contract, then signing the same player with the full Larry Bird exception the following season. Early Bird contracts can be up to four years in length, with raises up to 8% of the salary in the first season of the contract. Early Bird is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception, and qualifying players are called "Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA.
If the player is a restricted free agent with two years of service and qualifies for the Early Bird exception, then the player's prior team may use the Early Bird exception to match an offer sheet he receives from another team under the Gilbert Arenas provision (see question number 43. This is true even if the starting salary for the Early Bird exception is lower than the starting salary in the offer sheet, which is based on the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception.
A team can renounce its Early Bird rights to a player, and instead re-sign him with the Non-Bird exception (see below). They might do this in order to sign the player to a one-year contract, instead of the minimum two years required by the Early Bird exception.
He's been with the Spurs the last two years so yes they have his Early Bird rights.
This post was edited on 7/7/17 at 7:04 am
Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:34 am to BallHawk
They used the MLE on Gay (or that is what is assumed that they used), so they can't use the MLE on Simmons. They have limited space (really probably no space after bringing Gasol back).
I think Simmons can be had for the MLE, unless some other team gives him a contract with a bloated back end. He's an Arenas Provision player, so the first two seasons of his new contract are capped at the MLE.
I also didn't see where the Pels only offered Nick Young 5.2. I know that's what Golden State offered, but I was under the impression that the Pels offered more than GS.
ETA: Early Bird does shite all for him, because his salary is so low.
I think Simmons can be had for the MLE, unless some other team gives him a contract with a bloated back end. He's an Arenas Provision player, so the first two seasons of his new contract are capped at the MLE.
I also didn't see where the Pels only offered Nick Young 5.2. I know that's what Golden State offered, but I was under the impression that the Pels offered more than GS.
ETA: Early Bird does shite all for him, because his salary is so low.
This post was edited on 7/7/17 at 7:35 am
Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:47 am to Epic Cajun
I'd very much be on board with acquiring Simmons.
I hope some things happen in the next 24hrs...not so much that I'm rushing the roster composition but just looking forward to discussing it and seeing how things will all fit together
I hope some things happen in the next 24hrs...not so much that I'm rushing the roster composition but just looking forward to discussing it and seeing how things will all fit together
Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:51 am to BallHawk
Something should happen by this weekend if MM is accurate.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:53 am to Epic Cajun
Yeah that's what I was implying. We'll see I guess.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:56 am to BallHawk
Would be a good signing at the MLE.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:57 am to Epic Cajun
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so they can't use the MLE on Simmons
They wouldn't, they'd be using Early Bird Rights which lets them go up to 105% of the average salary which for this year would be between $7.8 million.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 8:00 am to TigerinATL
Correct me if I am wrong, but would they be able to match if we offered full MLE being that's just under $1m over the $7.8m you mentioned.
This post was edited on 7/7/17 at 8:01 am
Posted on 7/7/17 at 8:03 am to TigerinATL
Absolutely ridiculous we are in this situation.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 8:06 am to BallHawk
I'm not sure because of the way they neutered the MLE in the last CBA, the average salary and the MLE don't currently match exactly like they used to. The way the Arenas rule is written the first year on an offer sheet can't be more than the MLE, but the Early Bird Rights salary is currently a little less than the MLE.
I don't think it matters anyway though. I doubt Simmons is leaving the Spurs over $500k.
I don't think it matters anyway though. I doubt Simmons is leaving the Spurs over $500k.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 8:14 am to BallHawk
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Correct me if I am wrong, but would they be able to match if we offered full MLE being that's just under $1m over the $7.8m you mentioned.
They would not be able to match that if he signed that deal.
Anyway, I think that someone with cap space will probably offer him a deal where the last two years are over the MLE.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 8:16 am to Fun Bunch
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Absolutely ridiculous we are in this situation.
You should read the post I just made in the Solo is overpaid thread, Demps' obsession with Hill comes with quite a bit of collateral damage. It's not Tyreke level collateral damage but it's not far from it.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 8:33 am to TigerinATL
i like Simmons, but isnt he just Solomon Hill w/ Spurs magic dust?
dont get me wrong- i like him. and would be happy to swap him at MLE for Hill, obviously. but adding him to this roster just seems like grasping at straws
dont get me wrong- i like him. and would be happy to swap him at MLE for Hill, obviously. but adding him to this roster just seems like grasping at straws
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