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Ryan Anderson and Spacing
Posted on 5/8/15 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 5/8/15 at 2:28 pm
Mason at BSS wrote a season review on Ryan Anderson and one thing he highlighted that everyone but corndeaux often glosses over is the effect his spacing has.
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Even when Anderson isn’t shooting well, he is still helping the offense because of the threat he poses when left open beyond the arc. Opponents know that a month or two of poor shooting (mainly on the road) isn’t the norm when his career 3-point success rate hovers around 38%. A litmus test for this notion can be seen by looking at how the team has performed with Anderson and Omer Asik on the floor and Anthony Davis on the bench (courtesy of NBAWowy). In 359 such minutes throughout the 2014-15 season, Ryno shot a brutal 27% from 3-point range on 74 attempts (roughly 20% of his 3-point attempts for the season), and yet the Pelicans scored 103.9 points per 100 possessions in that time, an above average offensive rating (for reference, the 15th and 16th best offensive units posted an ORtg of 102.5 this season).
Think about that – a Pelicans unit with a front court consisting of Omer Asik and Anderson shooting bricks while Anthony Davis is watching from the bench still scored more efficiently than the NBA average offensive unit this season. What you should be thinking – “HOW ON EARTH IS THAT POSSIBLE?!” The answer is floor spacing. Tyreke Evans has played in 246 of those 359 minutes, and in that time, his true shooting percentage was 56.2%, far above his TS% for the season of 50.8%. The same goes for Eric Gordon (58.7% TS% in 155 minutes w/ Ryno & Asik, 54.4% for the season) and Jrue Holiday (59.7% TS% in 113 minutes w/ Ryno & Asik, 52.2% for the season). Even when Anderson is struggling mightily, he still helps the rest of the offense purely based on his proven ability throughout his career to knock down shots from the perimeter.
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Posted on 5/8/15 at 2:31 pm to TigerinATL
If only I felt like going back far enough to see broski and others hating on Anderson. Although he did have his worst season so far
Posted on 5/8/15 at 3:03 pm to LSU1SLU
Nobody denies the spacing, I'm more worried what are the drtg?
Posted on 5/8/15 at 3:22 pm to htran90
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Nobody denies the spacing
It's not denied as much as it's ignored because it's pretty hard to quantify. I think Mason did a good job of illustrating how even a brick laying Ryan Anderson helps the offense.
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I'm more worried what are the drtg?
Mason linked to where he got the stats on nbawowy LINK The ORtg is 103.9 and the DRtg is not a number anyone wants to see
119.1
Posted on 5/8/15 at 3:27 pm to TigerinATL
I feel like Ryno could work with a coach like Thibs who would maximize everyone else's Defense, hide his, and give him a great weapon on the Offensive end.
With Monty its a fricking disaster on the defensive end. He can't be masked.
With Monty its a fricking disaster on the defensive end. He can't be masked.
Posted on 5/8/15 at 4:20 pm to TigerinATL
And he left off Davis's numbers with Anderson from this year, which are compelling too:
W/ - 59 eFG% and 65 TS% (+8 NET rating)
W/O - 51 eFG% and 56 TS% OFF (+4 NET rating)
And those shooting %s hold up since both arrived in New Orleans.
Anderson isn't a sacred cow. He can be moved, but he brings real value on offense to everyone and sends Davis to the stratosphere on that side of the court. He shouldn't be discounted lightly.
They have to be able to get Asik/Anderson to work though. Maybe full health for both of those guys or more minutes w/o Rivers, Jimmer, Salmons will change things. But you can't have 2 of your top 3 bigs be a tire fire together.
W/ - 59 eFG% and 65 TS% (+8 NET rating)
W/O - 51 eFG% and 56 TS% OFF (+4 NET rating)
And those shooting %s hold up since both arrived in New Orleans.
Anderson isn't a sacred cow. He can be moved, but he brings real value on offense to everyone and sends Davis to the stratosphere on that side of the court. He shouldn't be discounted lightly.
They have to be able to get Asik/Anderson to work though. Maybe full health for both of those guys or more minutes w/o Rivers, Jimmer, Salmons will change things. But you can't have 2 of your top 3 bigs be a tire fire together.
Posted on 5/8/15 at 4:21 pm to TigerinATL
Ryno kills us on D.
Asik kills us on O.
AD is a 5 in the playoffs.
These are issues Dell must navigate...no problem...
Asik kills us on O.
AD is a 5 in the playoffs.
These are issues Dell must navigate...no problem...
Posted on 5/8/15 at 6:20 pm to Solo
Trade ryno and asik, get gasol or Noah.
Easy right?
Easy right?
Posted on 5/8/15 at 7:01 pm to htran90
I'm perplexed. So if Ryno, Asik, Reke, Williams, Demps all suck, this franchise is fricked, right?
Posted on 5/8/15 at 9:01 pm to TigerinATL
Even as a decoy, Ryan Anderson's spacing is murderous to opposing defenses. It makes up for everything he doesn't have on the defensive end.
Posted on 5/8/15 at 9:41 pm to NOLAbaby
Look at the D rating above and you can see WE are being murdered when he is on the court, not the other way around. He's good for the offense, but worse for the defense
Posted on 5/8/15 at 10:34 pm to TigerinATL
Maybe this means that Ryno's trade value is higher around the league than what we assume. Obviously teams still respected him even when he wasn't shooting well. If we do end up shipping him this offseason, we might get more in return than we expect
I'm still for keeping Anderson. I don't think it is a coincidence that his shooting and defense both dropped off after the injury he suffered. You have to assume that this year was an outlier and he will trend closer to his career averages next season. This article reaffirms that he can still be a major asset if used correctly because of how much other teams respect him and can be the kind of key/unique player that can steal a game in a playoff series..
My biggest problem with Ryno, with respect to this team, isn't his defense, though it was admittedly poor. I think the biggest problem is that he plays the same position as our best player. I'd like to see his money allocated to different positions. But as long as we have tyreke, Anderson will be valuable to the team.
I'm still for keeping Anderson. I don't think it is a coincidence that his shooting and defense both dropped off after the injury he suffered. You have to assume that this year was an outlier and he will trend closer to his career averages next season. This article reaffirms that he can still be a major asset if used correctly because of how much other teams respect him and can be the kind of key/unique player that can steal a game in a playoff series..
My biggest problem with Ryno, with respect to this team, isn't his defense, though it was admittedly poor. I think the biggest problem is that he plays the same position as our best player. I'd like to see his money allocated to different positions. But as long as we have tyreke, Anderson will be valuable to the team.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 12:20 am to TigerinATL
103.9 isn't NEARLY above average enough for a pure offensive player to make up for adding the worst defense in the NBA. He has to improve efficiency by enough to make up for the points he bleeds on defense.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 12:23 am to TigerinATL
So the defense gets completely eviscerated but, hey, spacing amirite?
Posted on 5/9/15 at 7:17 am to Let Me Take A Selfie
There's a link in the OP. Click on it and read about his terrible defense.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 7:32 am to Let Me Take A Selfie
You know what we've discussed plenty this season? Anderson's defense. You know what we haven't discussed much, the effect of his spacing even when his shot is off. Sure we can have a good time hating on Anderson's defense some more, who doesn't want to do that? But I like to think a better path is the one Fun Bunch took and thinking about what a weapon he could be with a coach and scheme that could hide rather than highlight his defensive deficiencies.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 8:47 am to NOLAbaby
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Even as a decoy, Ryan Anderson's spacing is murderous to opposing defenses. It makes up for everything he doesn't have on the defensive end.
Couldn't disagree more - We were still 16th in the league in statistical offense. If his spacing was so murderous to defenses, the team's offense would rate much higher.
In general, Ryno, as much as we may like the guy, is a dumpster fire on defense and shot only 39.9 FG% and only 34% 3pt over the course of the season.
On top of that, he cost $8.5M against the cap; that number is not horrible when you compare to other players statistically similar, especially with the cap expected to dramatically rise, but let's be practical about who he currently is as a player. You don't give him up for a bag of salty nuts, but he's not the offense savior some people may prop him up to be IMO.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 3:30 pm to tdevil1
What is "statistical" offense? If you're using it to talk about ppg....
Posted on 5/10/15 at 10:53 am to corndeaux
I would be interested to see a comparison of Anderson and other "stretch 4" players (korver, et al) especially when those players are on the floor with a real power forward
here's my problem with our front court...Davis is not a post up player, asik is strictly clean up and Anderson is more comfortable behind the line. So who posts up? We need a post up player
look at Memphis front court. I realize that's a unicorn but GSW has been annihilating everyone, then the grizz take them out if their game.
here's my problem with our front court...Davis is not a post up player, asik is strictly clean up and Anderson is more comfortable behind the line. So who posts up? We need a post up player
look at Memphis front court. I realize that's a unicorn but GSW has been annihilating everyone, then the grizz take them out if their game.
Posted on 5/10/15 at 3:20 pm to cgrand
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I would be interested to see a comparison of Anderson and other "stretch 4" players (korver, et al) especially when those players are on the floor with a real power forward
Korver is at another level entirely- his off ball movement is outrageous and a constant, shifting threat. But a healthy Anderson isn't too far behind him. Even if teams put a smaller player on Anderson, that's a win for the Pels' guards and Davis.
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We need a post up player
Why? They scored effectively all season and scored effectively (significantly better than Memphis) v the best defense in the league in the playoffs.
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