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re: Official Pelicans Free Agency Thread(Updated with transactions)
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:19 pm to teke184
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:19 pm to teke184
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Snag hit - Nelson failed a physical because he needs knee surgery. His contract was voided and he was waived by the Mavs.
Don't you mean Rashard Lewis, or did the Mavs sign 2 players that failed physicals because of knee injury?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:25 pm to TigerinATL
He must have meant Lewis. No such news about Nelson.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:35 pm to HickfawJim1
You're right, I'm wrong.
I knew it was an ex-Magic player but I mixed them up. I read Lewis in the article and thought they meant Nelson.
I knew it was an ex-Magic player but I mixed them up. I read Lewis in the article and thought they meant Nelson.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 8:59 am to corndeaux
No Darius Miller or Salmons either. Jimmer's minimum should be $948,163. If Salmons is getting $2 even, the salary should be at $69,138,823.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 2:31 pm to LosLobos111
I was stoked to find out about the Fredette signing. Always been a fan of his play even though it didn't translate well for Sacramento, but there might be some value there for what they're paying him hopefully he's improved.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:55 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Another interesting, if dense, article from Nylon Calculus on Pull Up J v Catch and Shoot
Nylon Calculus
Gordon makes his charts as being roughly equivalent to JR Smith (that's not good) in terms of performance in C&S v PUJ. Gordon has a 10% bump in FG% in C&S v PUJ, 25% in eFG, and 18% in 3P%.
I did a quick check on the SportVU team data to see how the Pelicans rank league wide in C&S and PUJ FGA. Good news, they rank 23rd in PUJ FGA per game and they hit them at a top 10 rate (38%). Bad news, they rank 28th in C&S FGA and 29th in C&S 3PA. They hit both types of C&S shots at a top 5 rate (42% overall and 40% from 3).
Edit- If we look at eFG% for the Pelicans v the league, they are basically right around league average. 40.7% for PUJ and 52.%3 for C&S.
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Last season, according to the NBA’s SportVU Player Tracking Statistics, teams shot almost five more attempts per game off the catch than they did off the dribble, which is understandable – catch-and-shoot attempts generated a league-wide average effective field-goal percentage of 51.6%, far superior to that of pull-up attempts, 40.4%.
Catch-and-shoot attempts might not always be the goal of the offense, but a good offense with screens, cutting and, in particular, ball movement, will generally open up these opportunities. Unsurprisingly, multiple teams in the top 10 of catch-and-shoot attempts converted per game are known for moving the ball offensively, including the Hawks, Spurs, and Trail Blazers.
Nylon Calculus
Gordon makes his charts as being roughly equivalent to JR Smith (that's not good) in terms of performance in C&S v PUJ. Gordon has a 10% bump in FG% in C&S v PUJ, 25% in eFG, and 18% in 3P%.
I did a quick check on the SportVU team data to see how the Pelicans rank league wide in C&S and PUJ FGA. Good news, they rank 23rd in PUJ FGA per game and they hit them at a top 10 rate (38%). Bad news, they rank 28th in C&S FGA and 29th in C&S 3PA. They hit both types of C&S shots at a top 5 rate (42% overall and 40% from 3).
Edit- If we look at eFG% for the Pelicans v the league, they are basically right around league average. 40.7% for PUJ and 52.%3 for C&S.
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 10:06 am
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:49 pm to corndeaux
Pels among CBS's Matt Moore's offseason winner(kind of):
Austin always getting played.
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New Orleans Pelicans: In short: Jimmer Fredette has not proven he can play so he and Austin Rivers will be buds. Darius Miller was a pretty solid re-sign just to see what he can do. Salmons, whatever, it's nothing worse than the standard veteran wing.
They are winners because they got Omer Asik. The key here, beyond Asik's considerable and necessary defensive impact, is twofold. One, Asik allows Anthony Davis to play power forward. That means a crunch with Ryan Anderson, but Davis is more important. Davis is thin-boned and has had injury issues the past two seasons. Playing center drags down his durability and carries a cost on the body. Asik absorbs that and allows Davis to save himself to be the omega playmaker on both ends.
Two, Asik is an expiring. Yes, the franchise cost is $15 million. But bigger than the $8 million cap hit that comes off the books is how that fits in. If Eric Gordon has a strong season and opts out, or if he's simply so unhappy in New Orleans (as he's seemed to be), and opts out of the last year at $15 million ... the Pelicans have less than $40 million on the books in the summer of 2016. They could make significant upgrades before signing Anthony Davis to the five-year max extension that fall. This is huge.
So yeah, the Pelicans lost perimeter shooting in Anthony Morrow and defense in Al-Farouq Aminu and rim protection in Jason Smith. But they've also kept their books open in case this formula they put together doesn't work. They have an escape hatch. So they're winners. The question is whether this experiment is really worth putting money behind to see if it works.
Austin always getting played.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:54 pm to saintsfan22
Pretty fair article by moore
Aminu was an OK defender but nothing irreplaceable.
Smiht is no rim protector and they have young to develop in that role for cheaper.
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defense in Al-Farouq Aminu and rim protection in Jason Smith.
Aminu was an OK defender but nothing irreplaceable.
Smiht is no rim protector and they have young to develop in that role for cheaper.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:01 pm to LosLobos111
Smiht was a good shotblocker, not the best in defending big centers posting up
Posted on 7/30/14 at 3:44 pm to Cap Crunch
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Jerry Zgoda @JerryZgoda · 15h
Re: Anthony Bennett pulled from Toronto pro-am by agent...If anyone would know a Love trade nears, it's Jeff Schwartz, who reps both players
The Cavs signed Wiggins less than a week ago meaning he can't be traded for more than 3 weeks. Either pulling Bennett isn't a sign of an imminent Love trade, or the Cavs are getting Love without giving up Wiggins. I'm not sure how I feel about that. On the one hand it would be the pinnacle of unfairness, Cleveland not only got 3 of the last 4 #1 picks, they got LeBron back and would be trading for Love without giving up a similar level player. On the other hand more talent in the East and less in the West is good for the Pelicans.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 4:16 pm to TigerinATL
You don't think that a trade can be agreed upon with Wiggins and not completed until he's eligible? Maybe they want Bennett to just chill and stay out of those things till trade is official so no injury happens before they get him. I have a very hard time believing Cleveland gets love without giving up Wiggins... That would be trade rape. I would think they would take the Bulls offer if Wiggins isn't in it.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 4:38 pm to Peliclown
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I would think they would take the Bulls offer if Wiggins isn't in it.
There's a lot of doubt on how genuine the Bulls offer is. Sounds like ownership doesn't like the prospect of paying $20 million for Love instead of $13 total of Gibson and Mirotic. Everything I've read says Love is holding firm to not opting in which increases the risk. Supposedly if he'd give on that Wiggins and Klay Thompson would have already been on the table. If Chicago isn't really interested and all GS will offer is Lee and Barnes because Love won't opt in, a garbage youth trade from Cleveland that doesn't include Wiggins still might be the best offer.
If that's actually what's happening waiting it out will only get you lower offers because the longer you wait the less time Love has left on his deal and the more risk the trading team takes on. Love might have the Timberwolves between a rock and a hard place if he absolutely refuses to opt in for anyone like CP3 did for us with the Clippers.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 7/30/14 at 4:46 pm to TigerinATL
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If that's actually what's happening waiting it out will only get you lower offers because the longer you wait the less time Love has left on his deal and the more risk the trading team takes on. Love might have the Timberwolves between a rock and a hard place if he absolutely refuses to opt in for anyone like CP3 did for us with the Clippers.
Example 1 of why the hate for CP3 is so overblown by most Pels fans.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 6:21 pm to TigerinATL
Wow you bring up some good points there. So the Timberwolves should have pulled the trigger when Bennett Wiggins and a first rounder was on the table it sounds like... Or would they still have gotten hung up on love not opting in?
Posted on 7/30/14 at 6:28 pm to Peliclown
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Or would they still have gotten hung up on love not opting in?
It sounds like that's been the hangup the whole time, so Wiggins may never have actually been on the table, at least not without a big * after his name. All the rumors say they might have traded him to GS before the draft if he would have opted in and put Thompson in play. For whatever reason he's very adamant on getting a 5 year deal after next year, even though waiting 2 years might result in a bigger payday with the new TV deal. I guess he has injury/durability concerns.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:32 am to TigerinATL
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Wiggins may never have actually been on the table
If Wiggins were on the table and the Wolves held out, they are dumb. Flip hiring himself to coach was the 2nd worst thing they did this summer- trailing only hiring Flip to run the franchise of course.
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For whatever reason he's very adamant on getting a 5 year deal after next year
He's been stuck in a terrible place. I think he just wants the freedom to choose. Not for every guy, but it wouldn't be a surprise if some of the max level FAs start going to shorter deals (3 years with PO for year 3). Can get bigger paydays w/ rising cap and more flexibility to be in the right situation. We're seeing lots of teams every year have tons of cap space; you give yourself plenty of options.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 8:41 am to corndeaux
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According to reports from ESPN’s Marc Stein and Brian Windhorst, it seems the Cleveland Cavaliers and Minnesota Timberwolves are inching ever so closer to an inevitable deal that would land Kevin Love in Cleveland in exchange for a package of assets said to include top overall pick Andrew Wiggins and last year’s top overall pick Anthony Bennett.
Wiggins is not eligible to be traded until after August 23, 30 days after the signing of his rookie scale contract. Both teams can only agree to a deal in principle before then, however there is an increasing sense that the two other suitors for Love, Chicago and Golden State, have started to move on and pull back from the table.
There is also a belief that Minnesota and Cleveland are looking to expand the scope of their trade to include a third team, which is commonly believed to be Philadelphia, who could be offering Thaddeus Young to the mix in exchange for rookie scale players and draft picks.
LINK /
So you go from potential trade rape to Wiggins, Bennet and Thadeus Young? That might be the best return ever on a disgruntled star, 2 recent #1 picks and a decent starter.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:03 am to TigerinATL
Yeah that's a great deal for Minnesota.
Rubio having LaVine, Wiggins, and Thad running the break with him....oh my!
Rubio having LaVine, Wiggins, and Thad running the break with him....oh my!
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