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re: New ESPN Mock Draft
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:46 am to DeionDeion
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:46 am to DeionDeion
How many great European bigs are stars in this league? frick Bender would piss me off. It would be just like Dell to chase a fad from the last decade (trying to find the next Dirk).
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:49 am to ShamelessPel
The current fad is chasing GSW with Hield and Valentine but everyone is OK with that.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:08 am to ShamelessPel
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How many great European bigs are stars in this league?
How many "stars" are in the league, period?
Rudy Gobert is the best defensive center in the league.
Nikola Vucevic is a double double stud for Orlando
Jonas Valanciunas is key cog in Toronto
Gortat is another double double center
Nikola Jokic was 3rd in ROY voting and is going to be a stud, as is Jusif Nurkic on that Denver team.
Enes Kanter is a max player
Alex Len is an up and coming player
Then you got the Pachulia, Mozgov Koufos, types.
Tons of great perimeter players from Europe.
Dirk, Krisptaps, and the Gasol brothers will go down as some of the best technical big men to ever play. Arvydas Sabonis, too.
The notion that he will bust bc he's from Europe is ridiculous
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:14 am to GynoSandberg
Yeah if Bender falls, I wouldn't hate the Pels taking him.
Frankly I am a little shocked Demps would even consider him given pretty much all scouts seem to think he is at least 1-2 years away from being even a meaningful contributor.
Frankly I am a little shocked Demps would even consider him given pretty much all scouts seem to think he is at least 1-2 years away from being even a meaningful contributor.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:18 am to Fun Bunch
I have seen enough game film of Bender to know his skill sets and have an idea of the ceilings of those skill sets
What I will admit I have no idea about is his work ethic, love for the game, etc. - All things I know Buddy has
But assuming he has those things, I like his skill sets better in relation to fit with AD and Gentry. I love Buddy as a complimentary piece. I have said his ceiling is Mitch Richmond and most likely career is Redick. I would take that, obviously. But I just think Murray and Bender have higher ceilings
What I will admit I have no idea about is his work ethic, love for the game, etc. - All things I know Buddy has
But assuming he has those things, I like his skill sets better in relation to fit with AD and Gentry. I love Buddy as a complimentary piece. I have said his ceiling is Mitch Richmond and most likely career is Redick. I would take that, obviously. But I just think Murray and Bender have higher ceilings
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:19 am to Hester Carries
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This is such an odd way of thinking. "If one of a realistic field of 7 things doesnt happen exactly the way I've decided i like it, which is a statistically highly probable, Im going to be unhappy! I have the desire to probably be unhappy!"
Usually, if someone makes and follows up on statements like this, you can extrapolate it outwards and deduce that they are a generally unhappy person...based solely on arbitrary parameters they made for themselves. Insane.
what the frick?
i'm sorry but if Demps takes a euro project who's 2-3 years away from being a contributor over an NBA ready player while the Davis clock is ticking rapidly then frick him. some of ya'll are talking about higher ceilings meanwhile we have like 2-3 legit NBA caliber players on the roster.
all that bullshite you just said is dumb.
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 11:22 am
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:23 am to GynoSandberg
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Rudy Gobert is the best defensive center in the league.
No
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The notion that he will bust bc he's from Europe is ridiculous
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Dirk Nowitzki and Pau Gasol were the first European players who became lottery picks. They both became All-Stars.
Since then, 16 Europeans have been lottery picks, and none of them have been All-Stars.
Since 1998 (when Nowitzki was drafted), 21 percent of lottery picks from American colleges have been an All-Star at least once (41 of 194). Meanwhile, 11 percent of Europeans drafted in the lottery since 1998 have been All-Stars (two of 18).
Including all international lottery picks, 13 percent (three of 23) have become All-Stars: Nowitzki, Gasol and Yao Ming.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:23 am to TthomasJR
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see him fitting nicely with Anthony Davis in the future
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 11:24 am
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:32 am to Mr.Perfect
If it was me, I would take the guy I project to be the best player in 2019. Then, you can legitimately say to AD- "How you gonna leave this guy? He is already a star and just hitting his prime."
I understand Murray and Bender won't be as good in 2016, but I think they will be better by 2019/2020
I understand Murray and Bender won't be as good in 2016, but I think they will be better by 2019/2020
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:33 am to Zach Lee To Amp Hill
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what the frick?
i'm sorry but if Demps takes a euro project who's 2-3 years away from being a contributor over an NBA ready player while the Davis clock is ticking rapidly then frick him. some of ya'll are talking about higher ceilings meanwhile we have like 2-3 legit NBA caliber players on the roster.
all that bull shite you just said is dumb.
You have 4 years to get it right with Davis. I don't think we should be worrying about chasing a win now player above all else.
I am not 100% sold on Bender but he is a very intriguing player to pair with Davis.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:33 am to Crewz
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If it was me, I would take the guy I project to be the best player in 2019. Then, you can legitimately say to AD- "How you gonna leave this guy? He is already a star and just hitting his prime."
Solid reasoning
Three years down the line is the hardest to predict, though.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:39 am to Fun Bunch
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Three years down the line is the hardest to predict, though.
And while it may fit ADs timeline, it doesn't fit Demps' or Gentry's timeline.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:39 am to Fun Bunch
Forget hard- It's IMPOSSIBLE to predict. But you do your best. Can't predict injuries, what a guy is gonna do with money and women temptations, etc
It's impossible. But that would be my criteria. And if Bender or Murray are hitting quasi Superstar level in 2019/2020, it's gonna be very hard for AD to find a better situation than being with a 22 yr old stud who he is already familiar with
It's impossible. But that would be my criteria. And if Bender or Murray are hitting quasi Superstar level in 2019/2020, it's gonna be very hard for AD to find a better situation than being with a 22 yr old stud who he is already familiar with
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:40 am to TigerinATL
Correct. Which is why it won't happen. I said a month ago, it's pointless to talk about anyone but Dunn or Hield.... Yet, here we are. Haha
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:41 am to DeionDeion
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Okafor is already a good young player, fits next to AD, still on a rookie contract, and still has plenty of room to grow.
What am I missing?
Okafor is shite on defense and compresses the floor on offense. AD is the best player to put next to Okafor, but Okafor is not the best player to put next to AD. Okafor is just way too one dimensional for me to want him on this team. He doesn't stretch the floor, he doesn't play good defense, he doesn't protect the rim, and he doesnt rebound.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:51 am to TeddyPadillac
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TeddyPadillac
try harder, mate
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:53 am to Crewz
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Yet, here we are. Haha
Because of Chad Ford who you said doesn't have any inside Pels sources, which seems reasonable given the secrecy with the Saints. So it begs the question where is this coming from and why?
The Pels have told other teams of our interest perhaps to garner trade interest?
The Pels misdirecting other teams that might consider trading up for Hield/Dunn?
Bender's agent trying to make sure his client doesn't fall past 5? ie trade up to 5 if you want Bender.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:58 am to TigerinATL
It comes from connecting dots. Dell does a lot of Euro scouting, comes from the Spurs, etc. and if he had job security or another owner, he might take him
But he simply can't in the situation he is in.
But he simply can't in the situation he is in.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:03 pm to NOFOX
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Okafor is shite on defense and compresses the floor on offense. AD is the best player to put next to Okafor, but Okafor is not the best player to put next to AD. Okafor is just way too one dimensional for me to want him on this team. He doesn't stretch the floor, he doesn't play good defense, he doesn't protect the rim, and he doesnt rebound.
He was a 20 year old rookie in the NBA. He will improve in most of those areas. Stretching the floor really isn't necessary from him, though.
That said, rumor has it the 6ers are shopping Okafor for back court help. I wonder if you could put together a package around Evans and Ajinca for Okafor and Carl Landry.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:20 pm to Jester
You guys will see this summer that Evans has no value. Perhaps even negative value. I don't think the Pelicans could even give him up for a fake 2nd rounder, let alone for the 3rd pick from a year ago
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