re: Lets talk about the Pelican's brass...

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If we'd have just stood pat and kept GV, Lopez, our picks, and taken the best value both last season and this season in the drafts, we'd be sitting on so many assets and so much cap room right now. We'd be exponentially better off. It's really quite sad.

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Yet the majority of this board hated both of them and was sure they didn't belong in the NBA.

I have no idea how the exact same posters who HATED Robin Lopez at $3 million or whatever he made are DEFENDING Omer Asik's similar contributions at $11 million.

Asik is a fair player for his salary. I'm way too hard on him and realize that he's a good player on a fair contract. If you had 5 Omer Asik-caliber players at the respective positions you'd probably be a borderline 2nd round playoff team. But Robin Lopez was one of the best contracts in the entire NBA. I loved his grit and his passion as well - he wasn't such a Melvin like Asik. I think my personal bias against Asik is that he's such a klutz that he's maddening to watch. For every two fundamentally sound rebounds that he snags, he bumbles away an offensive rebound or possession on the other end. It's just murder on the eyes and the enjoyment of the game to me.

Ditto for Vasquez as far as being an unbelievable contract. Can't believe that as savvy as Dell is at stealing away roster-building pieces that he so undervalued both Lopez and Vasquez.

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I have no idea how the exact same posters who HATED Robin Lopez at $3 million or whatever he made are DEFENDING Omer Asik's similar contributions at $11 million.

Asik is a fair player for his salary. Lopez was one of the best contracts in the entire NBA. Ditto for Vasquez, for that matter. He isn't a true starting PG but he's a top flight backup PG.

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Our fans love to hate our own players and coaches. It's what they do.

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Let's be fair though: Lopez was a bit of a problem on defense. Certainly, in hindsight, a good bit of that is on the scheme. And Vasquez had shown he was a good backup pg on a good contract.

Dangling them wasn't a bad idea. Moving them for Evans and no NBA C was.

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I don't disagree at all. Lopez got exposed by poor defense on the perimeter. He certainly wasn't untouchable, but the move that was made was a bad one. I was in denial at first hoping Tyreke was just in a bad situation, but it's becoming more clear every game that he was a significant part of that bad situation.

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certainly wasn't untouchable, but the move that was made was a bad one. I was in denial at first hoping Tyreke was just in a bad situation, but it's becoming more clear every game that he was a significant part of that bad situation

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Right there with you.

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I have no idea how the exact same posters who HATED Robin Lopez at $3 million or whatever he made are DEFENDING Omer Asik's similar contributions at $11 million.

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He's making $6 this year vs. Asik's cap figure of $8. Rebounds = Possessions. Lopez grabs 13.9% of the available rebounds when he's in the game, Asik grabs 22.5% So Asik gets you nearly twice as many possessions as Lopez.

But Asik fumbles the ball so much you say? I already created the thread that showed on a per touch basis he's actually one of the better centers in terms of turnovers.

But Asik gets blocked so often you say? He does, but as bad as him getting stuffed is, and it's really bad, Lopez isn't crushing him in FG% like you'd think. Asik TS% 54%, Lopez TS% 54.3%.

I'm not trying to make Asik seem like he's perfect because he's far from it and is probably the worst offensive starter in the league, I just think he is more stylistically displeasing than he is productively challenged, and it doesn't help that he's being asked to do more than he should be. Like someone else said in the thread, get a scoring SF and we completely forget how bad Asik is on offense.

I disagree with some of what you say (a lot of the "turnovers" caused by Asik: bumbled rebounds that he never technically possessed, passes that he bobbles away but which don't get charged to him but instead to the passer, game-winning tip ins for the OTHER TEAM that would otherwise be the most athletic play of his career , etc. etc.) make for misleading stats. I'd say that every game I've watched there are probably 3 "extra" turnovers that are because of Asik's Aminu-like retardation and coordination than what officially get charged to him.

But in spirit I agree that he's not a problem. He's actually an asset. Fair point on the cap differential closing between he and RoLo as well.

I think it's just having a player as stylistically ugly as Asik PAIRED with a player who is as stylistically ugly as Tyreke Evans PAIRED with an ice cold Ryan Anderson clanging wide-open 3 pointers on some of the few possessions that we actually have visually pleasing ball-movement on makes for borderline unwatchable basketball (not to mention Eric Gordon's numerous erratic penetrations that end in flailing "shots" or desperation "passes" in which he's basically hoping to get bailed out by a whistle).

So they all get lumped in together and it's a snowball effect of frustration for the fans IMO.

He looks like he has frying pans duct taped to his hands and cement blocks strapped to his feet. It is amazing how bad he is at that.

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bumbled rebounds that he never possessed

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Which means he should be crushing Lopez in rebounds even more. This really is "Asik sucks because he's 3rd in rebounding rather than 1st."

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passes that he bobbles away but which don't get charged to him but instead to the passer

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How many? 1 a game? That means the team should be 2nd in turnovers per game rather than 7th. The places that he's hurting this team are strengths where we can afford it, and the places that he's helping the team were major weakenesses. We're the number 9 rebounding team this year, we were 21st last year and 18th the year before when we still had Lopez.

I'm not saying Asik >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lopez, I think they're in the same tier, they just have a different distribution of skill points. But since Lopez doesn't get you extra possessions because he's a poor rebounder, the 3 shots more per game he takes vs. Asik are coming from someone else's supply. Basically Asik's skill set, as flawed and one dimensional as it is, fits this team's weaknesses better than Lopez' more balanced, and more pleasing to watch skill set.

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I think it's just having a player as stylistically ugly as Asik PAIRED with a player who is as stylistically ugly as Tyreke Evans PAIRED with an ice cold Ryan Anderson clanging wide-open 3 pointers on some of the few possessions that we actually have visually pleasing ball-movement on makes for borderline unwatchable basketball (not to mention Eric Gordon's numerous erratic penetrations that end in flailing "shots" or desperation "passes" in which he's basically hoping to get bailed out by a whistle).

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And all of that paired with expectations of playoffs. It has been a frustrating season

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And yes I put Holliday at best the 13th best point guard, more likely in the 15-17 range.

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And your list is stupid. So we can disregard that logic.

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Taste like ya mommy's twat.

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So you've tasted both his mothers privates as well as human poo, and have determined they are similar in flavor?