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re: Kings Offer Gay
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:32 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:32 am to TigerinATL
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I could also see Thibs or JVG making Asik more viable
Pels have been sneakily getting better on defense. Since December 1, they are 18th in the league at 104.2 DRating. Since Dec 15, they are 12th in the league at 102.2. Since January 1, they are 3rd at 98.6.
Some of that is competition, certainly, and it's still a small sample. But that is an impressive run considering where they started. Unfortunately, the offense has trended in almost the exact opposite way during that stretch too.
Interesting article from the Cauldron this morning on the evolution of the PF
No Davis mention specifically, but something to think about.
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It’s not enough for power forwards to just space the floor anymore. To have one capable of creating for himself and others means a team can afford to reach into the deeper?—?and therefore cheaper?—?talent pool of wings or point guards with good defense and shooting, but limited shot-creation abilities.
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The ability to read a broken, chaotic field has become key for the power forward position against opponents capable of covering more ground than ever.
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The key is making quick decisions to keep the ball moving. Of course, the more expansive the skill set, the more ways to bend and break a defense.
This coupled with a great SI.com piece on the new look Blazers, specifically detailing Mason Plumlee's passing/decision making from the high post/after a screen, is something to think about as they maybe rebuild the roster.
Davis has that ability, but he needs time to figure it out. None of the other bigs or 3/4s can even dream about making those types of plays. Things get stagnant/record scratchy when you can only rely on 3 guys to make quick/smart decisions.
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Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:13 pm to corndeaux
Not sure if they have gotten better or the competition level has gotten easier. They had a tough schedule to start and it has flipped recently.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:26 pm to corndeaux
Well, I was wrong about this roster adapting to Gentry's system (as were Gentry and Demps). It would be interesting to know (which is impossible ) how JVG would have done. :sigh:
Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:50 pm to NOSHAU
They were a dumpster fire the first few weeks but since early Dec they're around league average
Its likely both but its more towards the former IMO.
Its likely both but its more towards the former IMO.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 1:56 pm to LosLobos111
I don't have a problem with Gay for Ryno as a last resort.
Gay's deal isn't that bad, and he's the third option at best. You have to have guys that can create their own shot deep in the shot clock, and Gay can do that.
I'm hoping we are trying all we can to somehow throw Asik in there somewhere.
If we did nothing, what kind of cap space would we have to sign up people next year? I'm talking to you ATL.
If we aren't going to have that much cap space, and the likely hood of signing someone like Gay for that price is unlikely, might as well bring him in instead of losing EG and Ryno and then signing up some scrubs or vastly overpaying for someone who isnt' worth it. Rudy Gay is worth about $12million a year. ASIK IS NOT.
Gay's deal isn't that bad, and he's the third option at best. You have to have guys that can create their own shot deep in the shot clock, and Gay can do that.
I'm hoping we are trying all we can to somehow throw Asik in there somewhere.
If we did nothing, what kind of cap space would we have to sign up people next year? I'm talking to you ATL.
If we aren't going to have that much cap space, and the likely hood of signing someone like Gay for that price is unlikely, might as well bring him in instead of losing EG and Ryno and then signing up some scrubs or vastly overpaying for someone who isnt' worth it. Rudy Gay is worth about $12million a year. ASIK IS NOT.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 2:05 pm to TeddyPadillac
Nm
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 1/15/16 at 2:19 pm to TeddyPadillac
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If we did nothing, what kind of cap space would we have to sign up people next year?
Sadly not as much as you'd think. Assuming you let expiring expire, Gordon/Ryno/Cole, and cut minimums, you have about $18.5 in cap space.
If we wanted go after a max guy we'd have to move someone.
A few *s, Gee does have a $1.3 M player option, but it's barely above the minimum, so usually those guys opt out because they can just resign for the minimum again anyway, so I'm not counting him. Also, if AD doesn't make the All NBA team that frees up about $4-$5 million with him not qualifying for the Rose rule.
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David Fisher ?@usnfish 16 hours ago
Dunno if AD makes an All-NBA team.
Fs: LBJ, Durant, Kawhi, George, Bosh, Favors, Griffin, Millsap
Cs: Cousins, Green, Drummond, Whiteside
Nearly every player is making the playoffs this year. Doesn't even add in Carmelo if the Knicks sneak in.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 1/15/16 at 2:23 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I don't have a problem with Gay for Ryno as a last resort.
Gay's deal isn't that bad, and he's the third option at best. You have to have guys that can create their own shot deep in the shot clock, and Gay can do that.
The problem with Gay is he doesn't fit AD's timeline which means you'd be better off turning Ryno and Gordon into future assets or younger present assets like Morris.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 2:33 pm to TigerinATL
Noah is not happy, and might be available, same as Jeff Green, problem is neither of those teams need Ryno, but could be interested in EG, maybe, but i doubt it.
And both of those guys are expirings so not sure if we'd be able to retain them.
Gay isn't that old, and would provide more than Morris ever would. He's only here for two years, not like we are winning anything in 2 years anymore.
I'm more on board with trying to get future assets too though.
I'd like to get Ben McLemore with Gay and give them Ryno and Asik. I have a feeling McLemore is retarded though and i'm tired of having guys that are idiots. McLemore is falliing out of Karl's graces.
I'd like Gay/McLemore/Koufas for Ryno/Asik/Reke even more.
And both of those guys are expirings so not sure if we'd be able to retain them.
Gay isn't that old, and would provide more than Morris ever would. He's only here for two years, not like we are winning anything in 2 years anymore.
I'm more on board with trying to get future assets too though.
I'd like to get Ben McLemore with Gay and give them Ryno and Asik. I have a feeling McLemore is retarded though and i'm tired of having guys that are idiots. McLemore is falliing out of Karl's graces.
I'd like Gay/McLemore/Koufas for Ryno/Asik/Reke even more.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 1/15/16 at 2:51 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Gay isn't that old
7 year age gap between Gay and AD. I know we'll eventually need a skilled and steady vet like Pau Gasol, I just don't see Gay being that kind of player.
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would provide more than Morris ever would.
While this is true, unlike Gay, Morris is seen as a value contract if he stops pouting and starts playing (and doesn't go to jail). If he plays well for the Pels you could flip him if a better SF comes along.
With Gay's player option I'd expect him to come off the books at a good time, but that's not good enough for me. Since it is an option, that level of uncertainty might make him hard to flip for a late 1st like we think we can do with Ryno now. He'd essentially be a 2 year rental and I want to turn anyone that won't be with AD long term into players or assets to get players that will be with AD long term.
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Noah is not happy, and might be available
If EG can't bring in a 1st or salary dump I'd be fine with a Noah swap. I think he could teach AD and the team a lot, and he's high IQ enough that he might work well with Gentry if there's any tread left on the tire.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 1/15/16 at 2:55 pm to TigerinATL
I here you.
what about Al Jefferson? If we traded for him, would we have his rights to resign him?
Jefferson/Lamb for Asik/Ryno
I think Al and AD would work really well together, a lot like Pau and Bynum did. But maybe Gentry isn't the guy for that.
Jefferson is hurt now, and Zeller has been doing well at the 5, even though they look at him like a 4.
That will help us with the tank.
what about Al Jefferson? If we traded for him, would we have his rights to resign him?
Jefferson/Lamb for Asik/Ryno
I think Al and AD would work really well together, a lot like Pau and Bynum did. But maybe Gentry isn't the guy for that.
Jefferson is hurt now, and Zeller has been doing well at the 5, even though they look at him like a 4.
That will help us with the tank.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 1/15/16 at 3:09 pm to TeddyPadillac
Stop trying to dump Asik 
That's next season's problem. There's not much to do with cap space this offseason other than overpay ok players. The 2017 offseason has a lot more top level free agents that will probably be moving teams and creating opportunities for teams with cap space. I'm not saying don't dump him if you can, but getting a 1st for Ryno is probably better than using Ryno to dump Asik.
That's next season's problem. There's not much to do with cap space this offseason other than overpay ok players. The 2017 offseason has a lot more top level free agents that will probably be moving teams and creating opportunities for teams with cap space. I'm not saying don't dump him if you can, but getting a 1st for Ryno is probably better than using Ryno to dump Asik. This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 1/15/16 at 3:40 pm to TigerinATL
I've wanted Al Jefferson since we got AD. If we had to keep Asik to get him, i'd still be fine with it.
Kind of hard to trade for a center and not give one back, especially to a team that doesn't really have another one on the roster like Charlotte.
I'd rather a somewhat proven player than a 20-30 round pick in the draft. You've got maybe a 20% chance at best of getting a good player with anything after pick 20, and that player will likely take 4 years before he's actually really good.
Kind of hard to trade for a center and not give one back, especially to a team that doesn't really have another one on the roster like Charlotte.
I'd rather a somewhat proven player than a 20-30 round pick in the draft. You've got maybe a 20% chance at best of getting a good player with anything after pick 20, and that player will likely take 4 years before he's actually really good.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:25 pm to TigerinATL
I thought with AD at $22.5 and no Gee, Babbitt we are at ~$65M with an anticipated $89M cap?
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:35 pm to NOFOX
My bad, that figure did include Gee. I have us at $70.5 with AD getting 30% and Gee picking up his option. Reduce AD to $22.5 and dump Gee and you're still at $66.5ish because there's $1.5 million worth of roster holds you probably aren't taking into account.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 1/15/16 at 6:02 pm to TigerinATL
Woj reporting we offered Gordon and Gee for Gay, Kings don't like the deal
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Around the West, there hasn’t been so much instability in years. Sacramento and New Orleans have discussed a Rudy Gay trade, but the Kings are unwilling on a deal that would center on Eric Gordon and Alonzo Gee, league sources said
Posted on 1/15/16 at 6:14 pm to Cap Crunch
A Jrue-Gay-AD trio is better defensively than your current big three. Not that Gay is really good or anything, I'd say he could be a piece of a playoff team next season
Posted on 1/15/16 at 6:16 pm to Cap Crunch
I'm all for letting EG fall off the books...but if the Kings get desperate, an EG/Gay swap is interesting...
ETA: where is the damn in game thread????
ETA: where is the damn in game thread????
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 1/15/16 at 6:17 pm to NOFOX
I'd rather give up some combo of Reke/ ryno/ Asik/Ajinca for Hayward
Posted on 1/15/16 at 6:39 pm to chesty
This is what mason posted:
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@usnfish @phelpsalot based on what I have heard/read, I think Kings initiated w/ Gay for Ryno, Pels countered w/ Gordon/Gee.
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