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Posted on 1/4/16 at 11:10 pm to Tigerclassof19
Maybe Benny loves LSU and stays a year just to avoid the sixers.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:00 am to chesty
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Bye pel-icia
Damn strong.Posted on 1/5/16 at 5:59 am to MrPel
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On god this is my very last post here
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I will never post or respond bc there is no point.
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Mrpel out forever.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 7:51 am to MrPel
I've been high on Ish all season.
Ish running the offense PLUS what we would have received in a Reke trade is far superior to Reke running the offense plus the two seconds we got for trading Ish.
The guy was constantly in hustle mode, took his shots when they were gifted to him, and was the best feeder of AD and Gordon. Some of my favorite plays of the season were those drives under the basket with a dump off to AD for the stuff or a kick out to Gordon for the wide open 3. We screwed up getting rid of Ish. Fact.the people who underrated Ish were guys casually watching a few games or looking at stat sheets - because no one who was at virtually every home game watching his play would possibly be able to underestimate his value.
Ish running the offense PLUS what we would have received in a Reke trade is far superior to Reke running the offense plus the two seconds we got for trading Ish.
The guy was constantly in hustle mode, took his shots when they were gifted to him, and was the best feeder of AD and Gordon. Some of my favorite plays of the season were those drives under the basket with a dump off to AD for the stuff or a kick out to Gordon for the wide open 3. We screwed up getting rid of Ish. Fact.the people who underrated Ish were guys casually watching a few games or looking at stat sheets - because no one who was at virtually every home game watching his play would possibly be able to underestimate his value.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 8:04 am to 911Moto
Do you believe Ish is a starting caliber player on a contender? That's the question to ask yourself, because unless you can say yes to that, then you're talking about a trade piece. We've got 2 contention level starting caliber players on this roster, and one of those has a possible chronic injury cloud hanging over him. We are way too far away from a roster that will compete for a championship to be doing this much hand wringing over getting very good value for a bench player. Ish had probably been our 2nd best guard this year, that says a lot more about our guards than Ish.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 8:05 am
Posted on 1/5/16 at 8:46 am to TigerinATL
I'm confused. Are we talking about the same journeyman player that Demps traded for TWO second round picks? Because that was a damn good trade to make when you are only giving up spare parts that couldn't get playing time.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 8:59 am to saints5021
What we're talking about is that Continuity doesn't actually exist when you ask the same group to do the exact opposite of what they've been doing for 2-3 years, so the new guy that doesn't have all of that built in Continuity seemed to get things better than the old guys, he also fit better because he played fast and again, everyone else played slow thanks to our friend Continuity.
I get why Ish seemed so much more likable than 90% of the roster. The 1st month Ish and Ryno were the only 2 players that didn't look completely clueless most of the time. But like I said before, I think that says more about the rest of the roster.
I get why Ish seemed so much more likable than 90% of the roster. The 1st month Ish and Ryno were the only 2 players that didn't look completely clueless most of the time. But like I said before, I think that says more about the rest of the roster.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 9:26 am to TigerinATL
Ish was a great pickup and a guy you can get behind because of his story and personality, but he is a 27 yr old journeyman we claimed off waivers who is an UFA at the end of the season. Turning that into 2 high 2nd round picks in a couple months is a great move. That is much better than I thought we could get. And we would not have gotten that if Hinkie was still in charge over there.
As TigerinATL alluded to, Ish is not a starting PG on a team (without Lebron) competing for a championship. He fit Gentry's system and is doing well in Philly, but he would have sat the bench here. In the absolute best case scenario he starts over Tyreke, does well, and gets us to the 8th seed in the playoffs where we lose and are out of the lottery. We then have to pay him in the offseason competing against teams like Phi with lots of cap room and a coach who really wanted Ish.
Brett Brown loved the synergy between Ish and Noel. With Colangelo calling the shots, I think Brown would have convinced him to get Ish this offseason anyhow. 76ers never should have let him go in the first place. I just don't think you can keep him around when offered that kind of value for him.
As TigerinATL alluded to, Ish is not a starting PG on a team (without Lebron) competing for a championship. He fit Gentry's system and is doing well in Philly, but he would have sat the bench here. In the absolute best case scenario he starts over Tyreke, does well, and gets us to the 8th seed in the playoffs where we lose and are out of the lottery. We then have to pay him in the offseason competing against teams like Phi with lots of cap room and a coach who really wanted Ish.
Brett Brown loved the synergy between Ish and Noel. With Colangelo calling the shots, I think Brown would have convinced him to get Ish this offseason anyhow. 76ers never should have let him go in the first place. I just don't think you can keep him around when offered that kind of value for him.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:10 am to NOFOX
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In the absolute best case scenario he starts over Tyreke
Which was never, ever going to happen. If they weren't going to play Ish (and it seemed like they weren't), moving him for what they got works.
Same time, I think you can argue that they might be better off going forward moving Evans, taking the return, and keeping Ish as a reserve guard. I wonder what type of return Evans would actually get.
Again, though, that's a move that Demps et al are not going to make at this moment, and, perhaps, not ever. Despite the horrendous start, Demps has a ton of incentive to give this core more time, even without a likely push from ownership to make the playoffs again.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:26 am to TigerinATL
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Do you believe Ish is a starting caliber player on a contender? That's the question to ask yourself, because unless you can say yes to that, then you're talking about a trade piece.
I don't understand this. Don't championship teams need good bench play? Ish was providing much better play than Cole and even Evans. And he facilitated better than either from the 1. Now he's led a shite team to triple the wins they had before he got there.
I'm not saying the return was poor but I'm also not saying it was a necessary trade.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:33 am to quail man
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I don't understand this. Don't championship teams need good bench play? Ish was providing much better play than Cole and even Evans. And he facilitated better than either from the 1. Now he's led a shite team to triple the wins they had before he got there.
I think it was a matter of selling high.
2 seconds is the best you could possibly get realistically for a player like Ish. I would have much rather shipped off Cole, but I imagine there wasn't any worthwhile offers for him.
Wish we could have kept him, but if Dell thought 2 seconds was the best possible return for a moveable asset, he has to take that deal if it presents itself.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:44 am to quail man
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I don't understand this. Don't championship teams need good bench play?
This team is going nowhere good until we find the right long term starters to put around AD. Ish being on the roster doesn't solve that problem, but Ish not being on the roster might if the FO makes good use of the picks they sacrificed him for.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:51 am to TigerinATL
That's a huge if with this FO which is my beef. I assume they'll use the picks to package with a deal for LH or Ryno
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:53 am to quail man
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I don't understand this. Don't championship teams need good bench play?
Right. And "he's not a starter on a championship contending team" - what's that, 4 teams?
I dont have a problem with the trade, bc our team is hopeless and it doesn't really matter at this point.
I think the fact that D'Antoni pushed hard for Ish to come to PHI speaks volumes about what he can do, or what he couldve done for this team in the future. The architect of the offense we run wanted the guy to come in and play over 3 incumbent PGs. If we are keeping Gentry around, shite, we could've locked up Ish for CHEAP for a few years.. the guy is itching for a long term deal for any amount of change. Backup, starter, whatever. Alas, this team hates productive players on nice contracts
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:24 am to quail man
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That's a huge if with this FO which is my beef.
And that's an understandable beef, but I think it's pretty black and white that if you have to sacrifice a bench player to get a starter you make that sacrifice.
On the BSS podcast this week they were talking about the big hole on this team being a large defensive wing that's good enough on offense. I think figuring out that wing player and what guard to put next to Jrue are the big long term questions to answer before worrying about anything else. Sure you don't just toss aside a guy like Ish that fits, but you also don't hold him sacred if he can help you find what you need more.
Jarrett Jack had been our starting PG when we traded him. We literally gave him away to make cap space for Robin Lopez and create playing time for Austin Rivers. I don't recall too many complaints at the time even though Jarrett Jack can play in this league. The main thing that makes this different is we don't know the specifics of what the FO wants to turn Ish into, and we have more reasons to mistrust their vision than we did back then.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 11:56 am
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:48 am to GynoSandberg
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e could've locked up Ish for CHEAP for a few years.. the guy is itching for a long term deal for any amount of change
If Brown wanted him and Dantoni wanted him and the 76ers were willing to offer two high 2nds for him when he is a UFA and they had 1 win, then the 76ers could and seems likely would offer him more money and more playing time than we could this offseason. Why would he sign a long term cheap deal with us in that case?
If we were competing for the 4-6 seed and he made our bench better then we should have kept him, but I do not see how we could pass up those picks in our current situation.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 11:52 am
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