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re: Is the Jrue Holiday situation somewhat akin to the Asik situation?
Posted on 4/10/17 at 1:41 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 4/10/17 at 1:41 am to TigerinATL
Can they get insurance money for aids?
Posted on 4/10/17 at 7:24 am to Epic Cajun
Getting Hardaway, keeping jrue, and signing a decent vet (similar to what Utah did last year) might make this team a 50+win team.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 8:35 am to htran90
How do you expect to get Hardaway?
We don't have the space for him.
It would be easier to get a guy like Will Barton in a trade.
We don't have the space for him.
It would be easier to get a guy like Will Barton in a trade.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 8:44 am to TeddyPadillac
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It would be easier to get a guy like Will Barton in a trade.
Exactly. They don't have cap space to get Hardaway and another player. It would be kinda difficult to land just Hardaway, depending upon how much he commands. Chances are that Atlanta will match any non-outrageous offer, and maybe they'll even match outrageous offers. See Allen Crabbe and Tyler Johnson last offseason.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 8:51 am to Epic Cajun
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Chances are that Atlanta will match any non-outrageous offer,
I think the play with Atlanta would be to go after Bazemore who got paid and didn't take the jump they were hoping for. Especially if they pay Millsap and Hardaway, I can see Bazemore becoming expendable. The problem is you'd have to put Moore in the trade to make salaries work. Bazemore is better than Moore, but I don't know if he's twice as good which is what the salary difference is. But I have to think Moore + Ajinca/QPon for Bazemore is a move Atlanta would consider. Maybe that can be plan E if all the PG trade plans fail.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 8:58 am to TigerinATL
I'd take Bazemore over Moore.
This offseason sounds like a MLE guy will be signed, likely a PG, and some trade will be made to get a SG or SF, like a Bazemore/Barton/Crabbe/Hood/Oubre/Fournier
This offseason sounds like a MLE guy will be signed, likely a PG, and some trade will be made to get a SG or SF, like a Bazemore/Barton/Crabbe/Hood/Oubre/Fournier
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:37 pm to TigerinATL
Not sure why the Pels would want to trade Moore for Bazemore.
3/$54 v 3/$26. What does Bazemore do that much better than Moore that is worth an extra $30M?
3/$54 v 3/$26. What does Bazemore do that much better than Moore that is worth an extra $30M?
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:50 pm to corndeaux
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Not sure why the Pels would want to trade Moore for Bazemore.
I agree, I was just pointing out that if you want to take someone from Atlanta, it's probably not going to be Hardaway.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 2:17 pm to TigerinATL
I think Bazemore has higher potential than Moore, but I agree, there isn't much point in trading for him over Moore's value.
I think the guy that they should be trying to target is Robert Covington.
He's finished in the top 15 in real +/- for SF's his first 3 years in the league, on a shitty team. Big SF that can defend 4 positions and a decent enough 3 point shooter. He's a better defender than Solo, and a better scorer. He'll get a nice pay day after next year, especially if he improves and is consistent with his 3.
You can actually make an argument that he is one of the best defenders in the league.
he's got a team option for this upcoming year that Philly definitely won't pass on and is then a UFA.
if Philly doesn't really get the FA they want this offseason, maybe we could send Solo to them and some kind of pick for him, letting them absorb the difference in salary. Or you could trade a pick to them and use Buddy's exception. not sure i'd want to give up a first for a year of him, and i'm not sure what getting him would mean as far as making it easier to sign him after next year.
I think the guy that they should be trying to target is Robert Covington.
He's finished in the top 15 in real +/- for SF's his first 3 years in the league, on a shitty team. Big SF that can defend 4 positions and a decent enough 3 point shooter. He's a better defender than Solo, and a better scorer. He'll get a nice pay day after next year, especially if he improves and is consistent with his 3.
You can actually make an argument that he is one of the best defenders in the league.
he's got a team option for this upcoming year that Philly definitely won't pass on and is then a UFA.
if Philly doesn't really get the FA they want this offseason, maybe we could send Solo to them and some kind of pick for him, letting them absorb the difference in salary. Or you could trade a pick to them and use Buddy's exception. not sure i'd want to give up a first for a year of him, and i'm not sure what getting him would mean as far as making it easier to sign him after next year.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 2:51 pm to Fun Bunch
Everyuthing will be fine. They're going to find a way to make it work.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 4:39 pm to Fun Bunch
Gentry personally asked for both Asik and Ajinca to be re-signed because he thought it was important to keep continuity from a playoff team going.
They only became liabilities when Gentry couldn't figure out how to win with them and destroyed their trade value by benching them permanently.
Unless Gentry returns next year and keeps losing and decides Jrue should be his fall guy for him being a bad coach, I don't think the analogy fits.
They only became liabilities when Gentry couldn't figure out how to win with them and destroyed their trade value by benching them permanently.
Unless Gentry returns next year and keeps losing and decides Jrue should be his fall guy for him being a bad coach, I don't think the analogy fits.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 4:44 pm to TeddyPadillac
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He's a better defender than Solo, and a better scorer.
If Solo's not the best defender in the league at his position he shouldn't be playing more than 7-10 mins per game.
Guy can't make an open layup for truck's sake. Career .380 shooter - total, not from 3 - who can't finish and doesn't shoot well enough from outside to not be a total liability on the offensive end of the floor.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 4:48 pm to Number 31
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Gentry personally asked for both Asik and Ajinca to be re-signed because he thought it was important to keep continuity from a playoff team going.
Guy that couldn't believe they fell for his charts decides not to rock the boat and agrees with his new boss that if Asik can play like Houston Asik then maybe he can fill the Bogut role. "And you say you want to resign that tall guy that can rebound and hit jumpers as a 4th big? I can live with that."
I don't disagree that it'd have been nice for Gentry to stop the Asik signing, but it's still asking a lot of a new coach who was brought in specifically because he'd go along to get along.
This post was edited on 4/10/17 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:24 pm to TigerinATL
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Shortly after Davis signed his extension, the Pelicans announced that starting center Omer Asik, backup center Alexis Ajinca and backup forward Dante Cunningham were all re-signed.
Gentry said he likes having the combination of Asik and Ajinca at the center spot because it provides him with desired flexibility with his rotations. Gentry likes Asik's rebounding ability and Ajinca's ability to step out of the post to take shots but also score near the basket.
''The center position is covered,'' Gentry said. ''It was really important to try and bring all of the guys back because I thought they laid a really good foundation here when you think about the fact that you won 45 games and really Anthony ended up missing 12 to 14 games (due to injury)."
LINK
This is what I was referencing.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:46 pm to Number 31
What else was he going to say though? Monty went with Dell to recruit Tyreke IIRC, yet it took half a season and what seemed like a mandate from above to figure out how to use him.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 12:48 am to Fun Bunch
Season's over now.
J-roo bout to get paid.
J-roo bout to get paid.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:24 am to Jwho77
MM dropping some sourced info on the twitter.
So the team thinks it's more likely than not that Holiday is gone. I assume that means they have their contingency plans in place.
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Michael McNamara? @SilverAndMac 32 minutes ago
Asked someone I trust today, "Odds Jrue comes back?" Answer: "40 percent. Both sides are open to it. Will depend on market. Just takes one."
Basically, the Pels have a number in mind. If a team goes way past it, he's gone. Or if a true contender (Spurs) are close, he's gone
Wasn't given an exact number, but it sounds like the Pels are comfortable with anything around 22 mil as a starting point. Not much more
I say that number because the person said, "We think he deserves more than Ryno. But hard to give him more than Anthony." Exact quote.
I hope everyone understands this means that in year 1 it's 22 mil. Over 4 years it is around 93-95 mil. 5 years it's 120-ish
So the team thinks it's more likely than not that Holiday is gone. I assume that means they have their contingency plans in place.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 11:04 am to TigerinATL
22M per seems more than reasonable considering Jrue's injury history.
Still can't believe Dell let Ryno walk for nothing.
Still can't believe Dell let Ryno walk for nothing.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 11:15 am to Fun Bunch
Jrue looked like shite after the Cousins trade 13/7 on 42% shooting and 30% from 3. Combined that with the fact that he's missed an average of 30 games a season since coming to NO and hasn't played 70+ games in a season since 2012-2013. Any team that signs Jrue Holiday for $25M+ a season will be in salary cap hell. Any GM that gives him $30M a year should be fired on the spot.
This post was edited on 4/25/17 at 11:16 am
Posted on 4/25/17 at 11:15 am to TigerinATL
If he's gone which it very much appears then I hope a sign and trade happens.
This offseason is going to be interesting to say the least.
This offseason is going to be interesting to say the least.
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