re: How much will Asik get next season?

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For example, say we sign Asik to a similar contract to Bogut. In two years from now if Asik is performing at a 8 million dollar level, you still have to take the 12 million dollar cap hit. lol.

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The definitions of "$8 million level" and $12 million level" are about to change drastically. It will be a great thing to be able to use today's definitions now and apply them to the new world after they change.

Plus, this one year is probably the buyer-friendly center market we will have in several years.

The numbers I'm using anticipate that hike.

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His worth is valuable at 10-12 with the cap hike.

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for 1 year sure, for 3-4 years, no.

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He's one dimensional but he is great at it.

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He's great at it at times, and against certain teams. I'm ok with this, but i'm not down for paying a guy 12 million a year for the next 3 years to be great defensively against 10 teams, mediocre against the other 20 and atrocious on offense against all 30.
If he would play with the energy he had in the second half all the time, i'd like to keep him. But something has held him back this year and he doesn't give that energy too often. Maybe he needs to get clocked in the face more often.

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Issue with comparing players thay cost less than asik is who is available to us?

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Speights is basically the same size as Asik, can play defense good enough and you actually have to account for him on the offensive side of the court. He will be cheap, much cheaper than Asik, and we wouldn't be any worse or better with him over Asik. There's a ton of rookie contract guys out there that are better than Asik. Some of those guys are on teams that are loaded at center and can afford to get rid of 1. Denver got rid of Mozgov b/c Hickson is servicable and Nurkic is the new young guy. Same with Utah with Kanter/Gobert. Brooklyn has 3, Philly has 3, Memphis has Koufas not playing enough, the Bucks have 3, Cleveland has 5, Portland has 3. Trades can happen.

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The ones better than him are untouchable some are also more one dimensional offensively and we don't need an offensive center.

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There is no one worse offensively than him.
Asik is negative two dimensional offensively. I agree we don't need an offensive center. We don't need a center at all if you ask me. We'd be find with a bunch of big guys that can attempt to defend some of the premier centers in the league and if Ryno ever gets his groove back, he's in the game when it matters. WHy pay a guy 12 million a year for multiple years to play against a handful of teams and be putrid on offense all the time? I'd rather pay Speights and Turiaf, or Turiaf type player, a combined $4-5 million than keep Asik. This is all assuming Ryno, or some other 4 plays like they are supposed to.

When Asik doesn't give maximum effort, he's pretty worthless. I'm tired of seeing non-nba Asik and then NBA starting 5 Asik, never knowing which one will show up.It's not a talent he lacks when he sucks, it's effort, and i don't get it, and i've had enough of it.
His inconsistency is the main reason why i don't like him, and don't want him, not the fact that he can't catch, shoots 50% from the field despite 99% of his shots coming on dunk/layup attempts, and doesn't know how to dribble or shoot a basketball.

If he said Speights over ajinca and ryno, I'd agree

at this point i'd agree b/c i don't know if rybot is coming back and he's making a ton of $

Speights: currently 27; 6'10 245lbs
averages 16 MPG, highest avg is 22.4 in 2011-2012
10.4 PPG, 4.3 RPG
14.5 TRB%
108 ortg (career avg 106)
102 drtg (T-2nd best, best was 98, career 104)

Asik: currently 28; 7'0 255lbs
averages 26 MPG, highest avg is 30.0 in 2012-2013.
7.3 PPG, 9.8 RPG
21.4 TRB%
112 ortg (career best, career avg 107)
105 drtg (career worst, best was 92, career 101)

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Speights rebounds well. Give him minutes with AD, and he'll pull down 9-10 boards a game just b/c he's big, like Asik.

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You know what's more flawed than Asik's offense, your assumptions about replacing him. Asik is a career 13.4 per 36 rebounder with a career 21.0 TRB%. That's an elite rebounder. Speights is 9.8 and 15.6% That makes him a shade better than Robin Lopez (8.6 13.3%), but not even as good as Greg Monroe (10.6 16.9%). Also, Speights is not available as I'd imagine Golden State will keep him on the cheap year he has left.

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WHat's wrong with a center that can make a shot?

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I think Asik's offensive ineptitude is a big deal. As much penetration as our guards get, a young Tyson Chandler would make this team near unstoppable. But that doesn't change the fact that you can't wish and assume your way out of the situation we are currently in which is what you are trying to do. Just because Asik is flawed does not mean that he isn't our best available option for next year.

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But that doesn't change the fact that you can't wish and assume your way out of the situation we are currently in which is what you are trying to do. Just because Asik is flawed does not mean that he isn't our best available option for next year.

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Just b/c we might not have another option, doesn't mean we have to make a bad long term decision this year. We have to look further than 1 year, especially with the big free agency after next year.

Resign him to whatever for 1 year, i'm ok with that. I think we can be really good with a healthy team and a Ryno that starts playing like the old Ryno.

i'm not on board with signing him to a long term deal just b/c we can and there's no one else thats decent to get, unless it's for under $10 million a year and he starts playing with more effort.

The only way we make the playoffs next year is if we don't have injuries, win 50+ games or hope someone has the injury bug like OKC. The West will be better next year. Utah and Phoenix can make a push next year and the top 9 from this year will all win 50 games if they are relatively healthy.

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I agree, this discussion has lead me to favoring a 1 year deal for Asik and keeping our options open.

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I think that would be ideal for this team right now, but what happens if he says no to that? do you let him walk if he wants to much? what's the threshold annual salary if it's multi-year? I still say $8-10 million, and i still don't feel good about it, but like you said, what else can we do? suck it up for a year with the likes of Turiaf Joel Anthony type players?