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How many wins would this team have with a different coach?
Posted on 2/9/17 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 2/9/17 at 5:30 pm
TBW has a new article with some interesting quotes and characterizations from David Wesley on team discipline.
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So is Wesley right or is he having a Get Off My Lawn moment? Would this team be further ahead had they kept Monty even with Demps, or is this roster just rotten? Is it time to see what kind of leadership and discipline Baby Thibs can provide?
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The Fox Sports New Orleans color analyst said the Pelicans need “more of a demand for excellence” and that may require making a radical change at the head coaching position. Wesley cited a recent bus trip with the team as evidence. He noted that one player was watching a college basketball game without headphones, another was content to allow his phone to ring endlessly without answering and a number of others were engaged in loud conversation.
David Wesley was trying to make the point that the team didn’t appear to have the requisite focus. Learned during his playing days, the former shooting guard stated that game preparation should start well before tip-off, but he hasn’t seen the same process in New Orleans.
...The addition of playing music during practices and such have led to everything but improvement, and the reason is rather simple according to David Wesley: the team doesn’t have the necessary veteran leadership to ensure they properly handle their business. Yes, Anthony Davis is the team’s leader, but he’s only 23 years of age so he still doesn’t have a firm grasp on how to handle everything and lead a group of young men quite yet.
According to Wesley, Earl Watson, the head coach of the Phoenix Suns, recently echoed the same sentiments to him. Watson stated that the biggest thing missing from his roster is also experience. When Monty Williams went walking out of that door on Airline Dr., his most desirable characteristic left too — discipline.
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So is Wesley right or is he having a Get Off My Lawn moment? Would this team be further ahead had they kept Monty even with Demps, or is this roster just rotten? Is it time to see what kind of leadership and discipline Baby Thibs can provide?
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 5:37 pm to TigerinATL
I do agree with this --Golden State has mature, hungry players who could police themselves, so that kind of stuff works. This Pelican team has no alphas and guys like Jrue love winning more than they hate losing.
This team needs a tough love dad more than a fun uncle. But to me, that is more an indictment of the players than the coach. At this age, when you are a pro and making a ton of money, you shouldn't need others to push you. You should have that inside
So, could this team have won more with Monty? Sure. But the ceiling is still capped because of the type of men they have on the roster
This team needs a tough love dad more than a fun uncle. But to me, that is more an indictment of the players than the coach. At this age, when you are a pro and making a ton of money, you shouldn't need others to push you. You should have that inside
So, could this team have won more with Monty? Sure. But the ceiling is still capped because of the type of men they have on the roster
Posted on 2/9/17 at 5:42 pm to TigerinATL
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Get Off My Lawn moment?
Don't see it that way at all. If the team is not focused on being a "team" and improving as one, it falls on the coach. From what Wesley is implying, it sounds exactly like Gentry lacks the ability to demand discipline.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 5:43 pm to TigerinATL
Thinking about it, I wouldn't mind giving Wesley a shot to coach this team
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:13 pm to LSShoe1030
Back during the whole "who should we hire for coach" phase. One of my biggest thoughts was this team needed direction, discipline and leadership.
It's why I wanted Thibs or JVG.
As much as I like AD he isn't a leader in the LBJ/Chris Paul/Westbrook mold. And no one else on the team fit the bill either.
Bringing in a coach that plays the role of your cool uncle always seemed the wrong direction.
It's like trying to get your kids through school by raising them without any structure, sure, the rare few may figure it out and excel, but most need a foundation and ingrained habits before you take the reigns off.
It's why I wanted Thibs or JVG.
As much as I like AD he isn't a leader in the LBJ/Chris Paul/Westbrook mold. And no one else on the team fit the bill either.
Bringing in a coach that plays the role of your cool uncle always seemed the wrong direction.
It's like trying to get your kids through school by raising them without any structure, sure, the rare few may figure it out and excel, but most need a foundation and ingrained habits before you take the reigns off.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:16 pm to TigerinATL
it's entirely possible they would be better, but you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shite
under the "discipline" of Monty, Pels fans created the PTAO and they regularly blew inexcusable games. outside of a 2 month hot stretch, they were who have they have been the past 4+ years- oft injured and thoroughly mediocre when healthy
under the "discipline" of Monty, Pels fans created the PTAO and they regularly blew inexcusable games. outside of a 2 month hot stretch, they were who have they have been the past 4+ years- oft injured and thoroughly mediocre when healthy
Posted on 2/9/17 at 7:31 pm to TigerinATL
Do I think they would have won more under Thibs or JVG? Sure. But I agree that it still wouldn't be more than a 7/8 seed type team with this roster. We need more talent around AD/Jrue bottom line.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 7:31 pm to corndeaux
exactly
it ain't the coach
others might have slightly better results but not a dramatic turnaround
it ain't the coach
others might have slightly better results but not a dramatic turnaround
Posted on 2/9/17 at 7:32 pm to corndeaux
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it's entirely possible they would be better, but you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shite
under the "discipline" of Monty, Pels fans created the PTAO and they regularly blew inexcusable games. outside of a 2 month hot stretch, they were who have they have been the past 4+ years- oft injured and thoroughly mediocre when healthy
Monty never had the depth of this current roster. This season is in-fricking-excusible.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 7:48 pm to corndeaux
Reading about the culture of Monty's team, I got the sense he was more like a 5 or 6 whereas a Pop would be a 9 and Thibs a 10 on the discipline scale.
The thing with Monty is it seemed like he didn't hold certain players feet to the fire. If you got into his inner circle you were given an inexcusable long leash.
But I agree that ultimately this roster is mostly shite. Not even Pop would make this an actual good team.
The thing with Monty is it seemed like he didn't hold certain players feet to the fire. If you got into his inner circle you were given an inexcusable long leash.
But I agree that ultimately this roster is mostly shite. Not even Pop would make this an actual good team.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 7:53 pm to NOLA Bronco
I think the talent is fine. I think the mental capabilities and toughess of this team is low.
Who would you say has a super high ball IQ on this team? Who is mentally resilient and tough? Who is an alpha? A leader?
You take this same amount of talent and put Draymond Green's brain in one of these guys and Westbrook's in another, etc and this team with this coach is a 45 win team or better IMO.
Who would you say has a super high ball IQ on this team? Who is mentally resilient and tough? Who is an alpha? A leader?
You take this same amount of talent and put Draymond Green's brain in one of these guys and Westbrook's in another, etc and this team with this coach is a 45 win team or better IMO.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:59 pm to TigerinATL
While Thibs can be overbearing, I think he is the perfect coach for the timberpups and was for Jimmy Butler. He is going to teach that team discipline and coach them up on how to play basketball. They will reap those dividends in 2 or 3 years whether he is the coach there or not. Month offered that and it is obviously missing right now.
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:09 pm to 504Voodoo
Not that I think Monty was the long term answer to our coaching dilemma, but I do think letting him go when they did started the downward spiral, or, at least, accelerated it. Last year's team didn't give a shite about the team and it seems like this year's is leaning towards the same. The difference is that they like each other more this year. Still hasn't translated to more wins.
Kenny Atkinson, Ettore Messina, hell even Monty back to discipline these guys with a veteran leader to keep guys in check would do a world of good in my opinion
Kenny Atkinson, Ettore Messina, hell even Monty back to discipline these guys with a veteran leader to keep guys in check would do a world of good in my opinion
Posted on 2/10/17 at 1:02 am to TigerinATL
about tree fiddy?
This team need to be blown up and rebuilt. The chemistry is shite, the talent level is shite, and my God the front office and coaching is shite.
This team need to be blown up and rebuilt. The chemistry is shite, the talent level is shite, and my God the front office and coaching is shite.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 6:39 am to cgrand
right.
the entire organization is in disrepair. a new coach isn't turning this team around singlehandedly.
these conversations were the same ones people had back in 13/14 for Monty. the team is lousy and there is need for a scapegoat.
Don't get me wrong- we should be disappointed w/ Gentry. but he's a symptom, not the disease
the entire organization is in disrepair. a new coach isn't turning this team around singlehandedly.
these conversations were the same ones people had back in 13/14 for Monty. the team is lousy and there is need for a scapegoat.
Don't get me wrong- we should be disappointed w/ Gentry. but he's a symptom, not the disease
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:39 pm to TigerinATL
Team would be better if they hadn't fired Monty. In hindsight, that was a mistake.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:54 pm to Number 31
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Team would be better if they hadn't fired Monty. In hindsight, that was a mistake.
I WAS WRONG, DAMMIT! I'M SORRY!
Posted on 2/10/17 at 11:04 pm to touchdownjeebus
Monty showed a shite ton of mistakes, game 3 and 4 showed he was clearly in over his head when it comes to high level competition.
With that said, he was given chicken shite and did what he could with it. 45 wins was a damn miracle with the lineup we had in and out. The person who needed to be fired was dell. Always has been.
Imagine if we had ennis instead of Galloway, the stars lined up properly and we're set to go
With that said, he was given chicken shite and did what he could with it. 45 wins was a damn miracle with the lineup we had in and out. The person who needed to be fired was dell. Always has been.
Imagine if we had ennis instead of Galloway, the stars lined up properly and we're set to go
Posted on 2/11/17 at 6:33 am to cgrand
You cant fix injury with discipline and structure.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 6:35 am to cgrand
You cant fix injury with discipline and structure.
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