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re: Gravy for a mid first rounder?
Posted on 4/13/13 at 7:07 pm to Bigcurly2343
Posted on 4/13/13 at 7:07 pm to Bigcurly2343
I think everyone can agree that Gravy is not an elite star and not the future of this team. That being said, i just dont agree with trying to let him go by all means necessary. When we let him go, i need guaranteed value in return. I dont trust letting him go for an unproved rookie who may or may not be good
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Posted on 4/13/13 at 7:07 pm to Bigcurly2343
quote:
If gravy was a good starting point guard we should be in playoff contention. He is a ball hog that passes at the end of the shot clock, that why he gets assists. I dont mind him as a backup, but we need to draft a pg or sf in this draft and i think that there are some really good pgs in the draft that you just cant pass on. i doubt gv will be ok as backup
OMG. you just stirred up a Hornets nest.
Posted on 4/13/13 at 7:12 pm to Gtothemoney
quote:
If gravy was a good starting point guard we should be in playoff contention. He is a ball hog that passes at the end of the shot clock, that why he gets assists. I dont mind him as a backup, but we need to draft a pg or sf in this draft and i think that there are some really good pgs in the draft that you just cant pass on. i doubt gv will be ok as backup
A good point guard? Naww we'd need a great pg like chris paul level.. And last time i check, i dont see any chris paul level guards in the draft,, i may be wrong,, but id doubt it
Posted on 4/13/13 at 7:12 pm to Bigcurly2343
quote:i'm pretty sure we are going pg or sf in the draft. those are our two biggest needs.
but we need to draft a pg or sf in this draft and i think that there are some really good pgs in the draft that you just cant pass on
quote:lolwut? not saying gravy is good but there is only a few pgs in the league that could've had this team in playoff contention this year.
If gravy was a good starting point guard we should be in playoff contention
Posted on 4/13/13 at 7:14 pm to Bigcurly2343
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If gravy was a good starting point guard we should be in playoff contention.
Jrue Holiday, Kyrie Irving, John Wall, Damian Lillard, Rick Rubio, will all be at home watching the playoffs like us.
Posted on 4/13/13 at 7:14 pm to QJenk
quote:
When we let him go, i need guaranteed value in return
what realistic guaranteed value do you see the Pelicans getting for him?
Posted on 4/13/13 at 7:16 pm to eyeran
quote:wall was out for a long time. since he's been back they've been fairly solid but yeah there are some elite pgs not going to the playoffs
Jrue Holiday, Kyrie Irving, John Wall, Damian Lillard, Rick Rubio, will all be at home watching the playoffs like us.
Posted on 4/13/13 at 7:19 pm to MrWiseGuy
Exactly, so its best we wait it out instead of letting him go for just any ole body
Posted on 4/13/13 at 7:53 pm to eyeran
quote:well clearly they all suck
rue Holiday, Kyrie Irving, John Wall, Damian Lillard, Rick Rubio
Posted on 4/13/13 at 8:01 pm to Macintosh504
Vasquez for anything in the 15-25 range is a no-brainer.
1) You don't want to waste time giving him minutes anymore when you have younger players you are counting on to develop with much more upside
2) Next year is the LAST year on his contract and if you are willing to give Vasquez the 4-5yr/30 million dollar contract he's going to command, you're insane. Get something for him while you can.
3) 1st Rd. contracts in the NBA are gold. Hope for the best and if you're lucky and can scout talent well (which Dell has proven to be more than capable of doing), you have that player on a 3-4 yr/dirt cheap deal.
1) You don't want to waste time giving him minutes anymore when you have younger players you are counting on to develop with much more upside
2) Next year is the LAST year on his contract and if you are willing to give Vasquez the 4-5yr/30 million dollar contract he's going to command, you're insane. Get something for him while you can.
3) 1st Rd. contracts in the NBA are gold. Hope for the best and if you're lucky and can scout talent well (which Dell has proven to be more than capable of doing), you have that player on a 3-4 yr/dirt cheap deal.
Posted on 4/13/13 at 8:18 pm to ShamelessPel
This guy gets it
Posted on 4/13/13 at 8:49 pm to ShamelessPel
i dig this. folks dont realize the game of the draft. just cause its the first round doesnt mean a player has to be a starter or an allstar. most late first are draft and develop, draft and stash, draft for depth. plus you have them cheaply for years. if u lucky or a great scout u get guy who becomes a great starter.
Posted on 4/13/13 at 9:58 pm to BayouFann
Gravy for michael carter williams aka higher potential more qthletic younger gravy on rookie contract? In a second. If the 300 or so decent nba players in the leqgue past few years were all top 5 picks it would have takrn 60 years yo get them. Still hoping for darius miller to develop into decent bench player. Look at chandler parsons, pick 38... I frankly don't think gravy fits this team at all... maybe memphis would've been a better fit
This post was edited on 4/13/13 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:07 pm to ShamelessPel
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There are tons of players who are drafted outside of the lottery who are great. I could start naming them if need be. GV has reached his ceiling. He isn't the answer for us. Wouldn't be a terrible gamble.
This
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Vasquez for anything in the 15-25 range is a no-brainer. 1) You don't want to waste time giving him minutes anymore when you have younger players you are counting on to develop with much more upside 2) Next year is the LAST year on his contract and if you are willing to give Vasquez the 4-5yr/30 million dollar contract he's going to command, you're insane. Get something for him while you can. 3) 1st Rd. contracts in the NBA are gold. Hope for the best and if you're lucky and can scout talent well (which Dell has proven to be more than capable of doing), you have that player on a 3-4 yr/dirt cheap deal.
This.
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:28 pm to corndeaux
Picks past #15, Last 5 years
2011
15 kawhi leonard
16 vucevic
17 shumpert
19 Tobias Harris
20 Montejunas
22 faried
25 marshon brooks
30 jimmy butler
38 parsons
60 isiah Thomas
2010
15 Larry sanders
18 Bledsoe
19 Avery Bradley
27 Jordan Crawford
28 GV
39 Landry fields
2009
17 jrue holiday
18 Lawson
19 Teague
21 Collison
24 Byron Mullins
26 taj Gibson
29 toney Douglas
37 Dejuan Blair
39 Jonas jerekbo
43 Thornton
44 buddinger
46 Danny green
2008
15 r Lopez
17 Hibbert
18 McGee
19 hickson
21 Ryan Anderson
24 serge Ibaka
25 nick Batum
26 George hill
31 pekovic
34 chalmers
35 deandre Jordan
36 Omar Asik
45 Dragic
2007
15 stuckey
16 nick young
22 Jared Dudley
23 Wilson chandler
26 Aaron brooks
27 Aaron alffalo
28 splitter
31 Carl Landry
36 big baby
48 Marc gasol
56 Ramon sessions
I'd kill to have some of these guys
2011
15 kawhi leonard
16 vucevic
17 shumpert
19 Tobias Harris
20 Montejunas
22 faried
25 marshon brooks
30 jimmy butler
38 parsons
60 isiah Thomas
2010
15 Larry sanders
18 Bledsoe
19 Avery Bradley
27 Jordan Crawford
28 GV
39 Landry fields
2009
17 jrue holiday
18 Lawson
19 Teague
21 Collison
24 Byron Mullins
26 taj Gibson
29 toney Douglas
37 Dejuan Blair
39 Jonas jerekbo
43 Thornton
44 buddinger
46 Danny green
2008
15 r Lopez
17 Hibbert
18 McGee
19 hickson
21 Ryan Anderson
24 serge Ibaka
25 nick Batum
26 George hill
31 pekovic
34 chalmers
35 deandre Jordan
36 Omar Asik
45 Dragic
2007
15 stuckey
16 nick young
22 Jared Dudley
23 Wilson chandler
26 Aaron brooks
27 Aaron alffalo
28 splitter
31 Carl Landry
36 big baby
48 Marc gasol
56 Ramon sessions
I'd kill to have some of these guys
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:41 pm to GynoSandberg
Yep.
Since the lottery is a bit down, IMO Demps needs to get another pick in this draft.
Question is could Vasquez return a mid to late first?
Since the lottery is a bit down, IMO Demps needs to get another pick in this draft.
Question is could Vasquez return a mid to late first?
Posted on 4/13/13 at 10:53 pm to corndeaux
Top end talent is so so this year.
But I think there are some good value guys later in the draft. McCollum, Isiah Austin, Withey, McDermott, Larkin, Dieng, Wolters, Thomas, tony Mitchell etc
But I think there are some good value guys later in the draft. McCollum, Isiah Austin, Withey, McDermott, Larkin, Dieng, Wolters, Thomas, tony Mitchell etc
Posted on 4/13/13 at 11:06 pm to GynoSandberg
08 was stacked
Posted on 4/13/13 at 11:26 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
@MrBlue105
Miller will be a solid player. The question is will he be a guy who can start
all of these guys are worth replacing gravy for either keeps or some other type of deal that makes us better. just think of the production of these guys compared to their salaries
Posted on 4/13/13 at 11:59 pm to corndeaux
If the lottery is down doesn't that mean draft is down? Why would we want another pick in mediocre draft?
Or do you mean they are all so even hard to separate then so more picks givea bettwr chance to hit the player
Or do you mean they are all so even hard to separate then so more picks givea bettwr chance to hit the player
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