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re: Gentry wants Davis to shoot more 3 pters
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:20 am to VOR
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:20 am to VOR
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No disagreement on improving his ball handling, but was it really that bad last season? For some reason, without researching it, I don't recall it being a huge problem. Maybe I'm wrong.
He was good on one dribble, beyond that, he tended to get a little out of control. I certainly expect improvement in that area, but I don't think he's ever going to be Magic.
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:20 am to Crewz
I agree--and to be clear, I don't want Davis simply standing in the corner, because the last thing you want to do with Davis is take him away from the action. I think there are times during a game where DC and Davis wind up being very close to the corner and getting kick-outs. Those are the times where I think it's okay to hoist a 3, assuming he can get those giant feet behind the line without stepping out of bounds. It's still amazing how Ryno does that, particularly since he's not exactly known for his mobility.
I think Davis's dribbling will always be limited to beating his guy 1 on 1. Guys that big aren't going to be splitting defenders or maneuvering through traffic. The ball is too high, and because the league is increasingly valuing quickness over size on defense, there are so many second defenders who could swipe at the ball.
I think Davis's dribbling will always be limited to beating his guy 1 on 1. Guys that big aren't going to be splitting defenders or maneuvering through traffic. The ball is too high, and because the league is increasingly valuing quickness over size on defense, there are so many second defenders who could swipe at the ball.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:23 am to Pellican
Splitting defenders - no way. Multiple dribbles and keeping his head up on those dribbles to kick out would be major. Draymond can't split defenders or move through traffic, but he can do that. All I need from Davis.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 9:24 am
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:24 am to Pellican
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Davis became more reliant on his midrange shot last year, but I don't think that was a bad thing
I think my worry here relates to the end of the year and my fear of turning him into an Aldridge type volume jump shooter. There seemed to be a lot more settling for jumpers than generating good looks from mid range.
Like Crewz said, his dribble game needs some work still. And, I am curious to see his evolution as a passer. If he can improve those things, plopping him in the mid post, a la prime Dirk, will be a devastating staple
One play they could run for an easy 3 pt look is the old Love/Adelman run a cutter off him and step back into a 3.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:26 am to corndeaux
sweet play
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:29 am to Crewz
Could probably add that Davis also isn't the best at stopping his momentum when he drives/avoiding charges
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:32 am to Pellican
Agree.
He is still so raw offensively in some areas, which sounds like I am dissing him, but to me it is exciting. If he has only reached 50% of his potential on that end....man, oh man.
He is still so raw offensively in some areas, which sounds like I am dissing him, but to me it is exciting. If he has only reached 50% of his potential on that end....man, oh man.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:37 am to corndeaux
I feel like there was some quote this summer about Davis taking ATB 3s as well as corner 3s--if that's the case, yeah, a pretty simple action to get Davis a look if he's feeling it. And I love the idea of Jrue being in Kevin Martin's (? gif a bit blurry) place there. And that's one of my favorite extensions of Davis's ability as a passer, because I think Jrue could be a very good cutter. Movement tends to open up cutting lanes and I'm curious to see if that's the case with Gentry's new offense. Could use that same sort of action to isolate Jrue in the post as well.
Using Dirk as a comparison is probably best. Davis is some sort of weird hybrid of Dirk/Tyson. Which is all sorts of awesome.
I'm not worried about Davis becoming Aldridge because Davis can find the ball/opportunities in so many ways that Aldridge never could. His activity off the ball is a somewhat natural barrier to a LA-style game.
Using Dirk as a comparison is probably best. Davis is some sort of weird hybrid of Dirk/Tyson. Which is all sorts of awesome.
I'm not worried about Davis becoming Aldridge because Davis can find the ball/opportunities in so many ways that Aldridge never could. His activity off the ball is a somewhat natural barrier to a LA-style game.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:39 am to Crewz
Agreed. I remember your pod with Amin a while back where he was saying that some guys come into the league with so many things that they could be good at and it becomes a sort of curse, because they never master any one thing. Davis is the opposite of that--pretty much everything is obtainable and he's mastering things more quickly than anyone could've imagined. Raw becomes refined so quickly with him.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:49 am to Crewz
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The question is, do you want him taking as many as Ibaka the previous 2 years (60 per year) or Ibaka last year (205)?
to be fair, Ibaka had to pick up a lot of slack last year with Durant and Westbrook injuries. Not that he performed bad(he shot .37%) but he was forced to play out of his element.
and I think Bosh falling in love with the 3 was more of system he was moved to, going from #1 option to #3 option on a team with 2 dominant ball handlers, who can get to the rim and find open men. Even so, while his FT attempts went down, his FG% on 2pt shots spiked way up in MIA from his time in Toronto.
With that being said, AD23 3pt attempts will be predicated on how well he shoots them. What if he comes out ripping them at a 40% clip like Kevin Love did when he started to shoot really well? He took about 3 a game, still led the NBA in rebounding that year.
Im not sure Ibaka is the greatest example, because he isn't nearly as good as AD23 is. Meaning, i know his advanced stats went down, but maybe AD's wouldnt?
I don't want him falling in love with the 3 either, but if he really good at it, i wouldn't mind 3 or 4 per game. I think it would be more like the Kevin Love experiment early on in his career. More of a pop out and take the shot. Rather than what Bosh does, camping out in the corner and taking him away from rebounds and 2nd chance opportunities. More of a perimeter player all together, ala Dirk
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 9:51 am
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:59 am to Lester Earl
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He took about 3 a game, still led the NBA in rebounding that year.
yeah, and also AD only averages about 2.5 OBoards a game. Asik is one of the best offensive rebounders in the game. You don't need both of them down low. Anthony's offensive rebounds typically come on putbacks off others shots, not his own. I don't think having him shoot 3s is going to hurt his rebounding much, if at all. it's not like he will be camping out at the 3 point line.
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