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Gentry wants Davis to shoot more 3 pters
Posted on 7/8/15 at 6:46 am
Posted on 7/8/15 at 6:46 am
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New Orleans Pelicans coach Alvin Gentry sees an area where franchise cornerstone Anthony Davis has much potential for growth: 3-point shooting.
Gentry, hired to replace Monty Williams on May 30, said on a Tuesday conference call that he has directed Davis to log heavy practice reps from beyond the arc this summer.
"That's got to become a consistent shot for him," Gentry said, according to the New Orleans Times-Picayune. "I don't think he's going to have any problem doing it. If you go back and look at his high school days, he was a very good 3-point shooter, but all of a sudden, he decided to grow 6 or 8 inches. He still has that range, but I don't think it has been incorporated in the offense in college or the pros that he's been
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 6:49 am
Posted on 7/8/15 at 7:14 am to HeadyBrosevelt
I mean, it won't be hard for him to shoot more - 12 attempts last year.
The question is, do you want him taking as many as Ibaka the previous 2 years (60 per year) or Ibaka last year (205)?
While more 3's seem great and all, Ibaka's advanced numbers have dipped considerably as he has fallen in love with the 3. Bosh's FTr and TS% has come down since he fell in love with the 3
Just something to keep in mind. It isn't always a good thing.
The question is, do you want him taking as many as Ibaka the previous 2 years (60 per year) or Ibaka last year (205)?
While more 3's seem great and all, Ibaka's advanced numbers have dipped considerably as he has fallen in love with the 3. Bosh's FTr and TS% has come down since he fell in love with the 3
Just something to keep in mind. It isn't always a good thing.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 7:18 am to Crewz
Listen to yourself, you are comparing AD to Ibaka.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 7:31 am to Crewz
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I mean, it won't be hard for him to shoot more - 12 attempts last year.
The question is, do you want him taking as many as Ibaka the previous 2 years (60 per year) or Ibaka last year (205)?
While more 3's seem great and all, Ibaka's advanced numbers have dipped considerably as he has fallen in love with the 3. Bosh's FTr and TS% has come down since he fell in love with the 3
Just something to keep in mind. It isn't always a good thing.
Legitimate points. It also takes him away from the glass.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 7:32 am to Tiger Nation 84
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Listen to yourself, you are comparing AD to Ibaka.
Awesome comment! Yep, that is exactly what I did.
Actually, what I did is state some cases of power forwards with good games inside the arc take their games beyond the arc and become less efficient. You draw less free throws, get less offensive rebounds, and make yourself easier to defend because defenses don't have to be as aware of you.
When AD rim ran last year, the whole defense sucked in and that got guys open looks. Also, AD can't put the ball on the court for 3-4 dribbles yet. So defenses can just close out hard on him.
We can have an in-depth, intelligent discussion about this. Or posts like the last tool. Your choice.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 7:33 am
Posted on 7/8/15 at 7:34 am to Galactic Inquisitor
haven't we had this discussion already?
Posted on 7/8/15 at 7:35 am to Crewz
I will also point out that the year Gentry's Suns made the Finals and had one of the best offenses ever, Amare took 6 three's. The Suns still had plenty of space and Amare had a terrific year. It's not necessary for AD to take his game out there. It can benefit, especially when Asik is on the court, but I just don't want to see it a ton. 60 - 100 attempts this year would be fine by me.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 7:37 am to VOR
quote:Many times. We had it last offseason too...
haven't we had this discussion already?
Posted on 7/8/15 at 7:39 am to Crewz
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It can benefit, especially when Asik is on the court
I think this is a key. It would allow Asik and Tyreke to both be better if AD draws a big out to the perimeter. And if Tyreke is coming off the bench and Asik doesn't finish, then you might only see those 3 together for 5-10 minutes a game.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 7:39 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Turn just a couple of mid range shots into 3s and I'm happy. Definitely got too mid range happy to close the year. I think upping the pace and transition opportunities will also increase his RA attempts.
The point above about Asik on the court is astute. Davis can/needs to be the stretch guy w/ Asik. When Anderson is on the floor, Davis will own the paint.
The point above about Asik on the court is astute. Davis can/needs to be the stretch guy w/ Asik. When Anderson is on the floor, Davis will own the paint.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 7:40 am to Crewz
I definitely don't want him falling in love with it like Ibaka has. That said, his total usage will be much higher than Ibaka, so his percentage of shots from deep should be lower even with the same number of 3P attempts.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 7:44 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Yeah I think 1-2 attempts per game is fine on average depending how he does. See what happens and really spread defenses out more.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 7:45 am
Posted on 7/8/15 at 7:51 am to Tiger Nation 84
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Listen to yourself, you are comparing AD to Ibaka.
As someone who is more of a lurker that enjoys reading intelligent conversation on this board, I hope stupid comments like this doesn't eventually limit the intelligent people from posting.
ETA. And don't get me wrong, I love the jackassery as well. It is what separates this board from others, just not the complete stupidity.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 7:53 am
Posted on 7/8/15 at 8:21 am to HeadyBrosevelt
I'm a fan of this in theory.. but one of the downsides of the analytic movement is that some take it too far and think every midrange shooter suddenly needs to start jacking 3s. It's an argument for individual efficiency, and it makes sense, but I think it leaves out a lot of context.
Davis became more reliant on his midrange shot last year, but I don't think that was a bad thing. Teams regularly sent 3rd defenders to cut off his rim-runs and it got to the point where he just couldn't get the ball--so the easiest way to fix this was to let Davis pop out to midrange more often and use his improved midrange J. And despite the change and an increase in usage, he still improved his efficiency.
But beyond efficiency, I am a big fan of Davis's pick/pop game because of his continued evolution as a passer. Having the ball in the middle of the floor allows Davis to basically pass anywhere on the court with ease, particularly since he can throw over the top of just about anyone. Marc Gasol is lethal doing just this, and though Davis isn't the passer Gasol is, he's more of a scoring threat, and I think he can be similarly effective. Even if you go back to the Clippers-Warriors series 2 years ago, the Clips trapped Curry on Curry/Lee pick/rolls-->Curry found Lee-->Lee picked apart the Clips defense. I don't think teams will be trapping any of our guys in favor of leaving Davis, just outlining some of the ways that a very basic pick/roll can become dynamite if you have a big who can shoot/pass from the middle of the floor.
Past that, as others have pointed out, having Davis step out to 3 would probably have some spacing benefits and would also probably come at the expense of some few offensive rebounds.
I think there will probably be between 1 and 1.5 times per game this year that Davis will find himself in a position to shoot 3s.. and that's basically where I think he should end up. Between 80 and 120 3 pointers attempted, assuming he stays healthy for the entire season.
Davis became more reliant on his midrange shot last year, but I don't think that was a bad thing. Teams regularly sent 3rd defenders to cut off his rim-runs and it got to the point where he just couldn't get the ball--so the easiest way to fix this was to let Davis pop out to midrange more often and use his improved midrange J. And despite the change and an increase in usage, he still improved his efficiency.
But beyond efficiency, I am a big fan of Davis's pick/pop game because of his continued evolution as a passer. Having the ball in the middle of the floor allows Davis to basically pass anywhere on the court with ease, particularly since he can throw over the top of just about anyone. Marc Gasol is lethal doing just this, and though Davis isn't the passer Gasol is, he's more of a scoring threat, and I think he can be similarly effective. Even if you go back to the Clippers-Warriors series 2 years ago, the Clips trapped Curry on Curry/Lee pick/rolls-->Curry found Lee-->Lee picked apart the Clips defense. I don't think teams will be trapping any of our guys in favor of leaving Davis, just outlining some of the ways that a very basic pick/roll can become dynamite if you have a big who can shoot/pass from the middle of the floor.
Past that, as others have pointed out, having Davis step out to 3 would probably have some spacing benefits and would also probably come at the expense of some few offensive rebounds.
I think there will probably be between 1 and 1.5 times per game this year that Davis will find himself in a position to shoot 3s.. and that's basically where I think he should end up. Between 80 and 120 3 pointers attempted, assuming he stays healthy for the entire season.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 8:40 am
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:04 am to Pellican
I'd like to point out that this board has attracted some new and thoughtful posters in the last few months. Cool.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:05 am to Pellican
I want more 3's as his ball handling gets better. Once he is a threat to drive it all the way in if people close hard, I am fine with him standing behind the arc on 20-30% of possessions. But let's be honest - if he took more than one dribble last year, the chances of a turnover or terrible shot went way up.
I think these two things have to go hand in hand.
I think these two things have to go hand in hand.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:08 am to Crewz
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I want more 3's as his ball handling gets better. Once he is a threat to drive it all the way in if people close hard, I am fine with him standing behind the arc on 20-30% of possessions. But let's be honest - if he took more than one dribble last year, the chances of a turnover or terrible shot went way up.
I think these two things have to go hand in hand.
No disagreement on improving his ball handling, but was it really that bad last season? For some reason, without researching it, I don't recall it being a huge problem. Maybe I'm wrong.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:14 am to VOR
TD is a very good place to get aggregated Pels info--and as I've transitioned to a big boy job, I have less time to scroll through 1000s of tweets to find that info myself. TD is a very valuable resource and there is definitely some great dialogue. So I'll probably be more active here than I used to be.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 9:21 am
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