re: Frank Jackson Highlights: This is How We Do It

I think you guys are misunderstanding what i'm trying to get across.

I like 2nd round picks. I think it is absolutely ridiculous that we have only made 4 2nd round picks in the last 10 years. I've spit out names upon names of good nba players taken in the 2nd round every year in many past posts. Of course you don't expect them to turn into starters, or even role players. Probability of finding them isn't that high, and it's also zero percent chance if you don't make the pick at all. I like 2nd round picks. I don't like that we almost never have one.

I'm more bitching about this plan of trade 1st round picks and use a 2nd as our next year first round pick. Stupid way to say it. If Diallo is supposed to be our "first round pick", and now Jackson is, I expect one of them to be worthy of starting or playing significant minutes in 3 years, not be an end of the bench type of guy. WHy would you trade a pick for cash? will cash ever help you win a game? no. will the 52nd pick? very unlikely, but you never know.

And Capela was a starter by year 3. So, he is on schedule

jonathan tjarks

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Frank Jackson, Pelicans Making it as a second-round pick is as much about opportunity as it is talent, and few guys taken in the second round will have more of a chance than Jackson, and not just because he was taken at no. 31. The Hornets originally made the selection as part of their trade for Dwight Howard, but they ended up selling the pick to the Pelicans in exchange for moving back to no. 40. New Orleans has a desperate need for size, 3-point shooting, and athleticism on the perimeter, and Jackson provides all three in spades. He may not provide much else, but the Pelicans can’t afford to be choosy, not with Jrue Holiday set to enter free agency.

At last year’s McDonald’s All American Game, Jackson won the MVP award and the dunk contest, and a lot was expected of him at Duke. However, the team never coalesced due to injuries from both their roster and Coach K, and Jackson never really got into much of a groove playing with so many other ball-dominant players like Jayson Tatum, Luke Kennard, and Grayson Allen. With five-star point guard Trevon Duval coming to Durham next season, Jackson saw the writing on the wall and declared for the draft, despite putting up only mediocre stats this season.

At 6-foot-3 and 200 pounds with a 6-foot-7 wingspan, Jackson is a shooting guard in a point guard’s body, and he will need to prove he is a better playmaker than he showed at Duke if he’s ever going to be given the chance to run a team. The good news for the Pelicans is that he’s at his best when he’s jacking 3s off the dribble, which is exactly what they need. After the trade deadline, there were a lot of games where no one else besides Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins had to be guarded. At the very least, Jackson should provide some scoring punch off the bench. He may never be anything more than Jerryd Bayless, but a young Bayless would be a perfect fit in New Orleans.

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I'm more bitching about this plan of trade 1st round picks and use a 2nd as our next year first round pick

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Because in today's NBA, first round picks are overvalued and 2nd round picks are undervalued. You can sell pick #35 for cash or you can get some serious attention from IND for Paul George by offering picks 27, 28, and Julius Randle or Jordan Clarkson.

Most of the time the draft is a crap shoot. Where Deron Williams was picked over CP3, where Micheal-Kidd Gilcrist was drafted #2, where Manu Ginoblli was drafted #57. Or you can trade your first rounders for proven players. This method increases your chance for this newly added player to work out. Think about it like this. The Wolves traded away 3 first round picks that were all between #5-#13 and in return got bonafide All-Star Jimmy Butler and a first round pick. That seems like overkill for Butler imo because it's basically what Brooklyn traded to get Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, and Jason Terry. But if you say Zach LaVine, Kris Dunn, and Lauri Markkanen, for Jimmy Butler and Justin Patton then it looks less appealing even though the jury is still out on everyone beside Butler. In fact some are saying Chicago got fleeced because they basically got Zach LaVine for Butler. My point is that trading firsts can get you very far if it works out (hopefully DMC and Jrue). If it doesn't work (Jerryd Bayless, Omer Asik) then it sets you back. But it's proves to be more effective than just building through the draft. For example regardless of how you feel about Holiday, who can convince me that Nerlens Noel + AD is a better combo than Jrue + AD?

Now, drafting second rounders (like trading away first round picks) also provide a huge reduction in risk. It's because players drafted in the second round do hit less frequently but it's far less risky and less of a letdown if the player doesn't work out. The difference between a "second rounder" (Frank Jackson at pick 31) vs a "first rounder" (Josh Hart at #30 ) is nothing. Between #31 and #21 Terrance Ferguson? Slightly more of a difference but not significant. On top of that, by drafting players like Diallo and FJ (guys "who came out a year early"), you get first round talent at a premium price because no one values second round picks. This gives a team an even higher percentage of getting a quality player, developing him, and putting zero pressure on him. Or you can keep ending up with guys like Darius Miller, Pierre Jackson, or Russ Smith that fade into D-league superstardom. The only problem is you have to be patient and wait for that talent to develop. For example right now no one would say FJ is better than Buddy Hield. But Buddy's freshman year, he shot 24% from the 3-point line and averaged 8 points a game in 25 minutes a game. Compare that to FJ's freshman year. Who's to say the FJ can't make those strides working with NBA trainers in 4 years? (Not saying he will but who knows?) So with the lack of draft picks the Pels have, I think Dell is making the most of them.

I agree completely that it's not a market inefficiency or some new strategy Demps has figured out. I am happy they are thinking long term like this and hope to see it continue



Projecting a future high draft slot can be a dangerous game to play. instead of "we see it like a 2018 1st round pick" why not say

"we think X has a lot of potential to be a good pro and was not able to fully show that in college. we look forward to working with X and believe he can become a quality player for us."

I'm probably just coming from a different space, but selling it as the team investing in a young guy over time makes sense to me. when you toss out "1st rounder" on a guy, as we've seen in this thread, that carries some expectations for production that just aren't likely, no matter how highly one may think of a 2nd round pick.

Wow the difference a year makes. Tell me this kid wouldn't be a top 10-15 pick in Thursday's draft if he came out this year

Cheick Diallo Weaknesses

Diallo 19pts @LAL 04/2017

^Diallo at the end of last season taking former #5 overall pick Thomas Robinson to school

Cheick Diallo 2016-17 Season Highlights

Ya I think Dell has found a exploit here. Basically if he has a 1st round grade on a guy and he falls to the 2nd round, he takes them.

2nd round contracts are more favorable and have less expectations. Also guys in that range pan out pretty similar to guys drafted 30-35. You could argue that a high 2nd round pick is more valuable than any pick between 15-30.

Also there was a fair amount of expectation that Frank Jackson would go at 21 to OKC. So it's fair to say more than 1 gm had a 1st round grade on Frank Jackson.

It's a good strategy. Take a 1st round guy in the 2nd round. Seems to have panned out with Diallo.

I agree but most draft boards are kind of group think BS in my opinion. They basically have every guy in the same spot.

I think Dell had a 1st round grade on him, along with at least 1 other team which is more of what I meant.

I saw Frank Jackson as being the projected 20th pick in 2018. Guess he is really next year first round pick.
I am interested to see if he can play point guard.

Crews do you know if the Pels see him as a future PG or SG or just combo?