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re: Eric Gordon. Sharpshooter, assister, lover
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:06 am to Solo
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:06 am to Solo
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EG and Jrue have been disasters. Dell's two biggest mistakes. His hands were basically tied with EG, and Jrue was never injured before, so he has some defenses re these moves, but if he gets fired those are the two reasons why.
Jrue wasn't a mistake. In hindsight, it was still a decent move. The injury doesn't make it a bad move, it makes it bad luck.
That move got more hate because of the Tyreke trade than it did on its own merits.
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Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:16 am to Solo
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Dell's two biggest mistakes
yet, Gordon has done a complete 180. So, is he still considered a mistake??
And calling Jrue a mistake is wrong. What was the alternative in that draft/trade situation?
Dell has proven to be a very good GM, and his most recent acquisitions and trades prove that.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:25 am to jptiger2009
I see what you guys are saying, but EG and Jrue have been paid a ton of money for little production. EG is hitting threes at an awesome clip right now. Does that mean he is worth the 60 mil the Pels have invest in him? Of course not.
Jrue is a great on ball defender, and a solid all around player. The problem is that he has played in about 50% of his games or less. Unacceptable.
These moves are disasters, no matter how you look at them, but they are forgivable for different reasons. With EG, Dell didn't have much of a choice, he couldn't trade CP3 then, not sign who he was trading him for. Also, he couldn't forsee Jrue's injuries, and I agree that Jrue is better than Noe'/EP or whoever. But both of these moves have failed, there is no denying that.
ETA: Jrue can redeem himself, but does anyone have faith in that? I certainly don't. He looks like EG 2.0. Hopefully, EG keeps hitting the 3 ball and we can move him at the deadline next year.
Jrue is a great on ball defender, and a solid all around player. The problem is that he has played in about 50% of his games or less. Unacceptable.
These moves are disasters, no matter how you look at them, but they are forgivable for different reasons. With EG, Dell didn't have much of a choice, he couldn't trade CP3 then, not sign who he was trading him for. Also, he couldn't forsee Jrue's injuries, and I agree that Jrue is better than Noe'/EP or whoever. But both of these moves have failed, there is no denying that.
ETA: Jrue can redeem himself, but does anyone have faith in that? I certainly don't. He looks like EG 2.0. Hopefully, EG keeps hitting the 3 ball and we can move him at the deadline next year.
This post was edited on 3/13/15 at 10:28 am
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:59 am to Solo
Man you are really overreacting to this whole thing. Is EG a bad contract? Yes, he is, but to call him a disaster is just dumb. A disaster is Josh Smith where he was such a negative that SVG said "eff it" and now Detroit is stuck with years of dead money. As for Jrue giving up on him is silly. Should we be concerned? Yes. But flat out not believing that he can't redeem himself is just you being really negative.
The point is even though these moves are net negatives, we probably wouldn't be much better even if we went different routes and from 2016 onward we have all of our first round picks and no dead money on the cap.
The point is even though these moves are net negatives, we probably wouldn't be much better even if we went different routes and from 2016 onward we have all of our first round picks and no dead money on the cap.
This post was edited on 3/13/15 at 11:02 am
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:00 am to Solo
The Bulls signing Derrick Rose to a max deal was a mistake in that sense as well. Is there GM in trouble?
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:27 am to jmcwhrter
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I've never been a fan of the way he got railroaded here..
Posted on 3/13/15 at 12:00 pm to RonBurgundy
Can every thread not devolve into a FO thread? Gordon has worked his arse (Jim Rome voice) off this year. He gave a nice interview and seems he's buying in.
Winning really does cure everything. That AD guy doesn't hurt either. We should be impressed he went to Germany to likely do the blood stuff Kobe and co. do instead of treating the ASB like a vacation.
Winning really does cure everything. That AD guy doesn't hurt either. We should be impressed he went to Germany to likely do the blood stuff Kobe and co. do instead of treating the ASB like a vacation.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 12:49 pm to tigerfan88
I think Dell has done a great job, and that he should stick around. EG and Jrue are terrible signings. How is this even a debate?
What I am saying, is that if Dell is fired, it will be because of those two moves.
What I am saying, is that if Dell is fired, it will be because of those two moves.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 2:08 pm to Solo
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What I am saying, is that if Dell is fired, it will be because of those two moves
and, that would be an unjustified reason for him getting fired
Posted on 3/13/15 at 3:27 pm to jptiger2009
Even as well as EG is playing right now, his current rate of production is more in line of a 6-8 million dollar a yr deal under the current salary cap. Elite shooters get about 6 million a year. He's arguably worth 8 million because he can be a good/great distributor at times.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 8:21 am to TeachMeHowTaDante
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Even as well as EG is playing right now, his current rate of production is more in line of a 6-8 million dollar a yr deal under the current salary cap. Elite shooters get about 6 million a year. He's arguably worth 8 million because he can be a good/great distributor at times.
You wrong. Gordon is more than a shooter, he has just decided to fill that role on this roster and it's working. He is also a really good defender. At his current rate of production, he's definitely somewhere over 10M.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 8:33 am to Solo
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I think Dell has done a great job, and that he should stick around. EG and Jrue are terrible signings. How is this even a debate?
Any competent GM in the NBA would've matched PHX to keep Gordon. Keep in mind, it was less than a year that he was the main piece in the CP3 trade. Giving up that quickly would've been stupid.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:10 am to Broski
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Any competent GM in the NBA would've matched PHX to keep Gordon. Keep in mind, it was less than a year that he was the main piece in the CP3 trade. Giving up that quickly would've been stupid.
There were many good reasons to match Gordon's offer. That he was part of the Paul trade was definitely not one of them.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 1:34 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
I have to disagree. He is shooting 45% from 0-3 feet on a ton of attempts. 30% from 3-10 feet. And 36% from 10-16/16-23 feet. So while he is elite from 3 pt land, Gordon is significantly below average from the other 4 areas on the court. He averages 4 assists per game so I'm giving him a little extra credit there. He is rated poorly in every single defensive metric. He is one of the smallest 2 guards in the league and he is not quick enough to guard 1's. He does give effort on defense. But he's really not good at it at all. And let's not forget he did miss about 20 games this year in addition to all the other games he has missed the 3 seasons prior. I'm glad he's contributing more than usual, but we still are only getting half the production the team is paying for.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 6:15 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
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He is rated poorly in every single defensive metric.
Defensive metrics are hokie bullshite.
This post was edited on 3/14/15 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:21 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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hokie bullshite.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 8:41 pm to jmcwhrter
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Ive never been a fan of the way he got railroaded here..
you serious?? lol Eric Gordon never wanted to be in New Orleans. Dude is a prima donna! Hated that the Clippers traded him there and has constantly delayed his returns from supposed numerous injuries to not play in hopes of getting traded. Dude is a joke! I hope they finally get rid of him this off season. Highest paid player on team and plays more like a role player than the star he's supposed to be. It's only because he's been forced to stay in NO so long the reason why he's finally warmed up to the city. as for Holiday I'm starting to have serious doubts about him too. But when he does play for the Pels he is all out unlike Gordon who has finally done someting this season this justify his ridiculous contract.
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 3/16/15 at 5:46 am to corndeaux
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