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re: Different perspective on the chances of landing our top-5 protection.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:23 am to 42
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:23 am to 42
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The idea of just pointing to the draft for salvation is naive, if well-intentioned and wide-spread. A little research can pop that bubble, but the real answer is pretty scary: it's only got so much to do with amassing on-the-court talent.
Where else can we point to right now? Trades? We're not making the playoffs, even with trades. As of right now our only salvation is either suck dick and draft top 5 or suck dick and not draft at all - trading can accompany either scenario. I'm going with you know, the drafting top 5. We're injury riddled this year, we'd be a fringe playoff team if we weren't.
If you add on a top 5 draft in this 'deep draft' to a playoff fringe team, you get BETTER. Look at what happened when a guy named david robinson was lost for the season. His team was a playoff regular, sucked dick because they lost two of their top players, and ended up drafting a guy by the name of tim duncan and has never looked back since.
Players develop by playing the game, win or lose. We suck dick and AD still averages a 20/10. Kevin Love has lost all of his NBA career and he's arguably the best PF in the league. Portland was a weird team that were average/below average and they have arguably the 2nd best PF in the league. Player development does not equate to winning and vise versa.
We could somehow keep our top 5 pick if we keep sucking hard enough (not hard considering 2 of your best players are out and one is playing on a gimpy ankle all season), but yet some of you rather give a 6-10 pick to philly instead. I'll never understand that.
This post was edited on 1/21/14 at 12:24 am
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Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:28 am to danman6336
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The sooner some people understand that the ONLY logical thing to do right now is to suck dick for a few months and acquire talent are not using their heads. This "yea let's play tough and develop" cliche shite does nothing for the franchise, it's just cute nonsense that sunshine pumpers like to say
i generally agree with this philosophy, but we're not getting a top 5pick....it's extra bullshite to tank hard, lose hard, then give the #7 pick to the Sixers.
i'm down with the tank in general, but i'm not cool with that, and that is what will likely happen.
have some self respect.
be pissed at the team for getting in this situation, but not for not tanking when the tank is hopeless
This post was edited on 1/21/14 at 12:35 am
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:29 am to drake20
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not for not tanking when the tank is hopeless
It's really not though.
And to be honest, I don't give a frick if Philly is picking 6th or 12th, all I would care at that point is that we still aren't in the playoffs, we aren't in the draft and we have 3 players with serious injuries.
This post was edited on 1/21/14 at 12:31 am
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:35 am to htran90
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We could somehow keep our top 5 pick if we keep sucking hard enough (not hard considering 2 of your best players are out and one is playing on a gimpy ankle all season), but yet some of you rather give a 6-10 pick to philly instead. I'll never understand that.
Again, there is more to winning a title than assembling the talent. You have to set up a winning culture even if the wins do not roll in.
There are so many things that have to go right for so long, focusing on the draft so singularly while pretending losing has ZERO cost to the talent on the team and who may join the team later (other than through the draft) is also a gross miscalculation.
It has a cost.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:37 am to Broski
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It's really not though.
And to be honest, I don't give a frick if Philly is picking 6th or 12th, all I would care at that point is that we still aren't in the playoffs, we aren't in the draft and we have 3 players with serious injuries.
i was a big tanker last year, fwiw......it was a realistic goal back then...now it's just sad
...but trying hard to lose to get a top 5 pick and failing at it is pathetic and demoralizing...that has to have some effect...and we would have to tank hard to get there...
This post was edited on 1/21/14 at 12:38 am
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:38 am to 42
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Again, there is more to winning a title than assembling the talent. You have to set up a winning culture even if the wins do not roll in.
There are so many things that have to go right for so long, focusing on the draft so singularly while pretending losing has ZERO cost to the talent on the team and who may join the team later (other than through the draft) is also a gross miscalculation.
It has a cost.
I agree, but here's the thing, some of our best players are likely out for the season. We just had a 7 game losing streak despite AD having the best stretch in a Hornets/Pelicans uniform.
With the way the roster is right now, this team is just not that good to where they may tank without actually tanking.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 1:01 am to Broski
Posted on 1/21/14 at 5:03 am to GynoSandberg
Posted on 1/21/14 at 5:53 am to htran90
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We could somehow keep our top 5 pick if we keep sucking hard enough (not hard considering 2 of your best players are out and one is playing on a gimpy ankle all season), but yet some of you rather give a 6-10 pick to philly instead. I'll never understand that.
That's a bit of a mischaracterization. I think 5, which actually means 4 or worse because the odds of being jumped from 5 are too high, is not attainable, especially if they don't dump Gordon. So I'd rather see what we saw yesterday, AD beasting and guys like Rivers, Withey, Miller and Ajinca improving and having a positive impact.
Look at the schedule then look at the teams ahead of us. Rumors this week are Boston may be looking to move Rondo and Green. We can't out tank bad teams willing to get worse.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 7:27 am to drake20
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i was a big tanker last year, fwiw.
I really wasn't, but I do agree that . . .
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.it was a realistic goal back then...now it's just sad
...but trying hard to lose to get a top 5 pick and failing at it is pathetic and demoralizing...that has to have some effect...and we would have to tank hard to get there...
Posted on 1/21/14 at 7:46 am to TigerinATL
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I think 5, which actually means 4 or worse because the odds of being jumped from 5 are too high, is not attainable, especially if they don't dump Gordon.
We went on a long losing streak, it can happen again.
The bottom two teams, milwaukee and orlando have 7 and 11 wins respectively. I don't think we'll catch them or get that bad unless EG shatters a knee, AD breaks every bone in his body, and reke's ankle explodes. Everyone else from 3 to us (i think we're at 11-14 now) are separated by a total of 2-3 wins, that is definitely obtainable considering the fact we lost to Orlando by 20?
Posted on 1/21/14 at 7:49 am to htran90
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i think we're at 11-14 now
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This post was edited on 1/21/14 at 7:50 am
Posted on 1/21/14 at 8:37 am to Broski
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Like I said in the other thread, Gordon's contract still has next season plus the poison pill player option at $15M. No team is taking on that without us having to take on money and years.
We're not trying to trade away Amare here. Gordon still has plenty of redeeming value to certain teams.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 8:42 am to TotesMcGotes
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We're not trying to trade away Amare here. Gordon still has plenty of redeeming value to certain teams.
Agreed
last 10 games for EG
65/139 (46.8%)
3.1 reb
3.6 ast
2.3 TO (1 bad game with 8 TO)
1.1 stl
18.5 ppg
Posted on 1/21/14 at 9:29 am to quail man
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This post was edited on 1/21/14 at 9:31 am
Posted on 1/21/14 at 9:30 am to quail man
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How is Len doing these days? Is fear's boy even playing?
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When he has got the chance to play, Len has grabbed 17.3 rebounds per 48 minutes, a rate second only to Utah’s Rudy Gobert among 2013 first-round picks. Len’s 2.3 blocks per 48 minutes is 10th among rookies
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A game after rookie point guard Shane Larkin was the difference in Dallas beating Phoenix, Len made a difference in Sunday night’s win over Denver with his best game for points (nine) and rebounds (six). In his eighth consecutive appearance, the 7-foot-1 Ukrainian gave a flash of where his game could be headed.
Able to move free of ankle issues, Len covered the floor like a deer with long, quick strides. He sprinted to guards to set screens and rolled hard with his hands ready. He actively showed to opposing drivers in pick-and-roll defense. He crashed the offensive boards, using his long reach to slap loose balls out to teammates.
Just wait until he actually gets some practice time, something the Suns have not been able to do much since Len got healthy.
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In the weight room and on the practice court, Len has shown the work ethic that he promised upon arrival in June, when General Manager Ryan McDonough said “the sky’s the limit” for him.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 9:32 am to Fearthehat0307
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In the weight room and on the practice court, Len has shown the work ethic that he promised upon arrival in June, when General Manager Ryan McDonough said “the sky’s the limit” for him.
You know who has a great work ethic? Austin Rivers. Great drive.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 9:32 am to Fearthehat0307
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In the weight room and on the practice court, Len has shown the work ethic that he promised upon arrival in June, when General Manager Ryan McDonough said “the sky’s the limit” for him.
You know who has a great work ethic? Austin Rivers. Great drive.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 9:34 am to TotesMcGotes
quote:future all star
You know who has a great work ethic? Austin Rivers. Great drive.
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