- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Cunningham back to Pels... 3 yrs/$9M
Posted on 7/4/15 at 4:44 pm to VOR
Posted on 7/4/15 at 4:44 pm to VOR
THIS team did not win 45 games last year.
This team went 18-10. And that was without Jrue and Ryno for much of it, and even AD for a couple.
Post DC, Q-Pon, and Cole, we were 18-10. Wanna go back to Q-Pon and it is 27-18.
Over the course of 82 games, that is 49 wins post Q-Pon. 53 post Cole. And again, with many big injuries in there too.
THIS team was a 50-53 win team. And yes, it is returning with a new coaching staff and system.
You know who won 51 games in 2013-14 and basically ran it back with a ne coaching staff? The Golden State Warriors.
Not saying that they will win the title, but a fun offseason don't mean ish. It's about way more than that. 6 of the top 7 teams in the NBA didn't have a fun offseason. Didn't make big additions. Yet some people still want to do roster construction like it's 2K. Some day, we will learn.
This team went 18-10. And that was without Jrue and Ryno for much of it, and even AD for a couple.
Post DC, Q-Pon, and Cole, we were 18-10. Wanna go back to Q-Pon and it is 27-18.
Over the course of 82 games, that is 49 wins post Q-Pon. 53 post Cole. And again, with many big injuries in there too.
THIS team was a 50-53 win team. And yes, it is returning with a new coaching staff and system.
You know who won 51 games in 2013-14 and basically ran it back with a ne coaching staff? The Golden State Warriors.
Not saying that they will win the title, but a fun offseason don't mean ish. It's about way more than that. 6 of the top 7 teams in the NBA didn't have a fun offseason. Didn't make big additions. Yet some people still want to do roster construction like it's 2K. Some day, we will learn.
This post was edited on 7/4/15 at 4:45 pm
3
Posted on 7/4/15 at 4:46 pm to Crewz
quote:
So, the NBA says - If you are going to use the full MLE, then we will hard cap you at $4 million above the tax apron. Now, you can't make a bunch of trades where you take back more salary on top of using the MLE.
So, for us, what's the difference between using the full MLE and not using the BAE vs. using ~$3m of the MLE and the full BAE? And what's to stop us from using the rest of the MLE and the BAE that would result in our NOT being hardcapped?
Finally, do you think our preventing a hardcap means that we are at least considering a big midseason trade?
Posted on 7/4/15 at 4:51 pm to THRILLHO
Once we use the BAE and/or the rest of the MLE, we are hard capped. And I do not think we are necessarily avoiding that. Some people read that into the DC signing, but I don't think it's necessarily the case. But from the Pels point of few, if they are bringing the top 10 back, it is hard to guarantee minutes to anybody else on the market. Heck, Babbitt is probably coming back too. Spots 12-14 will be for depth and to see if they can unearth a diamond in the rough.
And yes, I think the Pelicans are setting themselves up to be in position to get a major piece in the next 12 months, one way or another. No doubt about it.
And yes, I think the Pelicans are setting themselves up to be in position to get a major piece in the next 12 months, one way or another. No doubt about it.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 4:58 pm to Crewz
quote:
This team went 18-10. And that was without Jrue and Ryno for much of it, and even AD for a couple.
Post DC, Q-Pon, and Cole, we were 18-10. Wanna go back to Q-Pon and it is 27-18.
Over the course of 82 games, that is 49 wins post Q-Pon. 53 post Cole. And again, with many big injuries in there too.
That's assuming sustainability. This line of thinking is a bit silly. If we really think a roster w/o Holiday, Anderson, and AD at times is winning 50+ games, I don't know what to say.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 5:05 pm to corndeaux
Jrue was playing like 10mpg in those games. Ryno was off all year coming off of the major injury.
AD playing 68 games (as he did last season) is reasonable, but overall we had worse injury luck than I think will be typical.
Give our team an average health season and we may have won 50 games last season. That's despite having added some key bench players late in the season. Now give them some chemistry together and a much better coaching situation, + AD's improvement (he's going to shoot at least 75% from 3pt range this season) and it's not unreasonable to expect 52+ wins.
AD playing 68 games (as he did last season) is reasonable, but overall we had worse injury luck than I think will be typical.
Give our team an average health season and we may have won 50 games last season. That's despite having added some key bench players late in the season. Now give them some chemistry together and a much better coaching situation, + AD's improvement (he's going to shoot at least 75% from 3pt range this season) and it's not unreasonable to expect 52+ wins.
This post was edited on 7/4/15 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 7/4/15 at 5:09 pm to THRILLHO
Well yeah. If reasonable health, they should be around 50 wins. That's not what he said, unless I'm misreading it.
The point was they had that record w/ those injuries. I have no faith that is sustainable
The point was they had that record w/ those injuries. I have no faith that is sustainable
Posted on 7/4/15 at 5:13 pm to Crewz
quote:
Not saying that they will win the title, but a fun offseason don't mean ish. It's about way more than that. 6 of the top 7 teams in the NBA didn't have a fun offseason. Didn't make big additions. Yet some people still want to do roster construction like it's 2K. Some day, we will learn.
right that's my thing. 2k roster construction.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 5:14 pm to Crewz
quote:Those 28 games were part of a soft schedule. The few good teams that the Pelicans played resulted in a loss 70% of the time.
This team went 18-10. And that was without Jrue and Ryno for much of it, and even AD for a couple.
Post DC, Q-Pon, and Cole, we were 18-10. Wanna go back to Q-Pon and it is 27-18.
Over the course of 82 games, that is 49 wins post Q-Pon. 53 post Cole. And again, with many big injuries in there too.
THIS team was a 50-53 win team. And yes, it is returning with a new coaching staff and system.
Here were the teams the Pelicans beat over that stretch:
Miami
Toronto
Brooklyn
Miami
Denver
Detroit
Memphis
Milwaukee
Brooklyn
Milwaukee
Sacramento
Minnesota
LA Lakers
Sacramento
Golden State
Phoenix
Minnesota
San Antonio
Here are the teams they lost to:
Dallas
Boston
Denver
Phoenix
Golden State
LA Clippers
Houston
Portland
Memphis
Houston
So they played 10 games where I would consider the opponent good (Memphis x2, GSW x2, Spurs, Dallas, Clippers, Houston x2, Portland).
Pelicans lost 7 of those 10 games against good teams.
So I think the schedule had more to do with the 18-10 record than anything else.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 5:21 pm to Crewz
quote:
And yes, I think the Pelicans are setting themselves up to be in position to get a major piece in the next 12 months, one way or another. No doubt about it.
I may be misunderstanding how it works, but I don't think it's a huge deal if we go into the tax this season. Benson would be passing on some healthy checks from Miami and Cleveland, but he made an extra ~$4m from the Jrue decision and the sold pick. It's practically impossible for us to be in the tax next offseason, so the repeat taxpayer penalty isn't a threat to my knowledge.
Not saying that any BAE type guy is worth going into the tax for, but if we're 35-20 and a Ryno for Gallo or Reke/Ryno for Melo trade helps us, I think Benson gives Dell the OK.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 5:51 pm to Crewz
quote:
So, the NBA says - If you are going to use the full MLE, then we will hard cap you at $4 million above the tax apron. Now, you can't make a bunch of trades where you take back more salary on top of using the MLE
That also implies we won't be using the remainder of the MLE. So at best we'd add Barbosa and Acy.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 5:55 pm to TigerinATL
quote:That would be two nice adds to the bench. I don't see that happening.
That also implies we won't be using the remainder of the MLE. So at best we'd add Barbosa and Acy.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 5:55 pm to THRILLHO
quote:
I may be misunderstanding how it works, but I don't think it's a huge deal if we go into the tax this season.
What he's saying is that if we use the Full MLE we'll be unable to make trades that take us above the Apron. Say the Kings would trade us Gay and DMC for Jrue, Tyreke, Ryno and picks, the trade would be illegal even if the salary matched ok because we'd be Hard Capped at the tax apron.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 6:00 pm to TigerinATL
I'm a bit drunk, but combing the CBAFAQ, it seems that using the BAE is what hardcaps a team. So despite not seeing any article that specifically says that we used part of the MLE on DC, is it reasonable to say that's what happened? So we likely will not be using the BAE at all, but only the remainder of the MLE?
Posted on 7/4/15 at 6:02 pm to PrimeTime Money
Toronto was a good team...just to add 1 in the Win column.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 6:04 pm to THRILLHO
I'm just going off what MM posted. Haven't dug into it myself yet.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 6:42 pm to Overbrook
Toronto had a full-on collapse at the end of the season. They were 12-16 in the 28 games to finish the season and got swept in 4 straight games in the first round against the Wizards.
They were not good.
They were not good.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 7:27 pm to PrimeTime Money
Now we need to get Cole back
Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:02 pm to rt3
This is a great deal for us. I love it
Posted on 7/4/15 at 11:31 pm to corndeaux
quote:
Well yeah. If reasonable health, they should be around 50 wins. That's not what he said, unless I'm misreading it.
The point was they had that record w/ those injuries. I have no faith that is sustainable
I'm actually confused as to who is saying what.
What I'm saying that I believe this roster going into this season can win 50 games IF we have at least decent luck with health. I believe Gentry's faster pace will be far more effective for this team. I think they'll be better coached overall and should be more efficient on both ends.
I also think it was probably for the best that major moves are deferred. In fact, there was probably not a lot of choice without doing something . . . rash?
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:56 am to VOR
quote:
What I'm saying that I believe this roster going into this season can win 50 games IF we have at least decent luck with health. I believe Gentry's faster pace will be far more effective for this team. I think they'll be better coached overall and should be more efficient on both ends.
I also think it was probably for the best that major moves are deferred. In fact, there was probably not a lot of choice without doing something . . . rash?
I agree with all of that. Bringing the core back always made sense to me. Not a fan of Ajinca for those years, but not the end of the world. Would have liked more wing help, but the market priced the Pels out. Not much you can do about it at the moment.
I take objection to the notion that this a 50 win team because they went 18-10 (53 wins over 82) with Jrue, Anderson, and Davis missing significant time. Not sure what a 30 game sample w/o 3 of your best players proves other than they played well during that stretch. And that is most admirable and praiseworthy, but I wouldn't hold my breath on repeatable. To me, it has little bearing on future performance.
Page 3 of 5
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News