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Could Kris Dunn & Harrison Barnes be the offseason?
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:09 pm
Could getting these two plus trading away Tyreke be the offseason for us?
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:11 pm to Pels318
quote:
Could getting these two plus trading away Tyreke be the offseason for us?
I do not see us being able to unload Evans. He is hurt and will not be back until close to preseason. With our training staff it might be the All-Star break.
I would really like to add Barnes, but not at a Max Deal.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:17 pm to Pels318
It's very possible. People would bitch about the Barnes signing, especially the $$$, but we'd absolutely be a better and deeper team.
Dunn/Frazier
Holiday/Q/2nd
Barnes/Q
AD/?/2nd
Asik/Frenchy
The 5 would be brutal.
I'd rather make smaller moves this year and target 17.
Draft Bender/Dunn and let Reke fall off the books or trade him for seconds at the deadline.
ETA: We are not moving Reke until he plays/passes a physical.
Dunn/Frazier
Holiday/Q/2nd
Barnes/Q
AD/?/2nd
Asik/Frenchy
The 5 would be brutal.
I'd rather make smaller moves this year and target 17.
Draft Bender/Dunn and let Reke fall off the books or trade him for seconds at the deadline.
ETA: We are not moving Reke until he plays/passes a physical.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:33 pm to Solo
quote:it would be a brutal 4...
Dunn/Frazier
Holiday/Q/2nd
Barnes/Q
AD/?/2nd
Asik/Frenchy
The 5 would be brutal.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:34 pm to Pels318
The money Barnes is going to get paid for such a marginal player is insane.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:43 pm to Fun Bunch
I think he could take a much larger role, if needed. It's just that he doesn't have to contribute more because the Warriors are so stacked.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:49 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
I think he could take a much larger role, if needed
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:51 pm to Pels318
I would be happy with getting Barnes. I don't want to pay him $20M but looks like that's just what it is for anyone.
He turned down $16M this past summer so he obviously wants more.
I think if we had an offseason of getting Dunn and Barnes, then we would need a 4 that can shoot coming off the bench and capable of playing with the starters of
Dunn
Jrue
Barnes
AD
QPon/FA shooting 4
I like the perimeter defense possibilities, and with the correct coaching, it can make the interior defense better.
All that being said, i'd rather get Crabbe for cheaper with the idea that he can be about as good as Barnes as a role player, and still have some money to get some other key FA role players.
He turned down $16M this past summer so he obviously wants more.
I think if we had an offseason of getting Dunn and Barnes, then we would need a 4 that can shoot coming off the bench and capable of playing with the starters of
Dunn
Jrue
Barnes
AD
QPon/FA shooting 4
I like the perimeter defense possibilities, and with the correct coaching, it can make the interior defense better.
All that being said, i'd rather get Crabbe for cheaper with the idea that he can be about as good as Barnes as a role player, and still have some money to get some other key FA role players.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:51 pm to Fun Bunch
I mean paying him would equate to saying, "hey they had two or three go-to players and he didn't have his shot so here he is, our #2 guy to AD".
We had issues with SG/SFs hitting open 3s, he hits 37.6% for his career and the last to years hitting 40.5 and 38.3. He won't be AS open here, but he will still get open shots in Gentry's offense.
We had issues with SG/SFs hitting open 3s, he hits 37.6% for his career and the last to years hitting 40.5 and 38.3. He won't be AS open here, but he will still get open shots in Gentry's offense.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:56 pm to Chad504boy
Have people not watched the playoffs/finals???
I want nothing to do with Barnes for the near max he is going to command. One that mind you, GS has said they will likely match.
Barnes is not a reliable scorer. He isn't really a great passer or facilitator. He is solid on Defense but not spectacular.
He has had numerous opportunities to showcase himself due to injuries, other players struggles and defensive strategies that give him clear advantages and there is yet to be a standout game for him. Solid moments but nothing that punctuated the notion that his limited role is holding back a flood of talent waiting to emerge.
I want nothing to do with Barnes for the near max he is going to command. One that mind you, GS has said they will likely match.
Barnes is not a reliable scorer. He isn't really a great passer or facilitator. He is solid on Defense but not spectacular.
He has had numerous opportunities to showcase himself due to injuries, other players struggles and defensive strategies that give him clear advantages and there is yet to be a standout game for him. Solid moments but nothing that punctuated the notion that his limited role is holding back a flood of talent waiting to emerge.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:58 pm to NOLA Bronco
quote:
Have people not watched the playoffs/finals???
Barnes has a few fans here, but I think the main reason he gets brought up is that Gentry's ties to Barnes means we want him, just like Ferry becoming an advisor "increased" our odds of targeting Bazemore. I suppose I'd rather pay Bazemore $15 than Barnes $20+, so if we're going after the easiest to connect dots, give me Bazemore.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 4:06 pm to TigerinATL
The way the league looks right now, I think it's really time to look at AD playing more 5 unless a team goes big.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 4:12 pm to LuzianaFootball
Barnes is Basicly Ariza on the Lakers
Posted on 6/13/16 at 4:14 pm to TigerinATL
I'd take Barnes for 20 over Bazemore for 15. Barnes is better now, and has more upside in the future, IMO.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 4:16 pm to Pels318
I'd take it in a heartbeat.
Dunn, Barnes and Davis would be a big 3 I could get behind. Will Barnes be amazing? No, probably not but he's better than any other SF we've been putting out there.
Dunn, Barnes and Davis would be a big 3 I could get behind. Will Barnes be amazing? No, probably not but he's better than any other SF we've been putting out there.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 4:17 pm to Epic Cajun
I really don't want either at the price they'll cost so I figure Bazemore is the cheaper mistake. Plus Bazemore can be a decent starter for $15 which isn't bad value. If Barnes is just a decent starter at $20+, that's bad value.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 4:19 pm to TigerinATL
Bazemore also has the ferry thing
Posted on 6/13/16 at 4:28 pm to LosLobos111
I don't get the fascination with Bazemore at $15 million a year. That is nuts. He is a marginal player. However, I do not get even considering paying Barnes $20 million. I guess I should be prepared to be disappointed in the free agency results for the Pels.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 4:29 pm to Chad504boy
quote:Not sure I get the reference to Posey.
quote:I think he could take a much larger role, if needed
Posted on 6/13/16 at 4:31 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
I really don't want either at the price they'll cost so I figure Bazemore is the cheaper mistake. Plus Bazemore can be a decent starter for $15 which isn't bad value. If Barnes is just a decent starter at $20+, that's bad value
I guess if pushed I'd agree to take the lesser of the two evils if that is out targets.
I don't think either are worth their market price to this franchise but it is what it is.
Barnes just gives me no indicators he is going to be anything but a contract problem that underperforms expectations for the life of his contract. Smart teams don't pay 20 million for a guy that is at best going to be a 4th option on championship caliber team. Not when you have glaring needs in the form of finding your 1-2 other cornerstone pieces.
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