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re: Anderson the enigma
Posted on 4/28/13 at 12:03 pm to brmark70816
Posted on 4/28/13 at 12:03 pm to brmark70816
I so wish the idea of 'starter' being more important than `finisher' would just go the way of the Hornet. You want your best players getting the most minutes and playing when the game is on the line (generally . . . see Gray v. Howard). 0-0 with 48 left to play . . . whatever.
Anderson provides a rare combination of skills and salary that fit with the long-term plan for this team (as near as I can tell), but if he can be moved to bring in an even rarer talent, so be it.
I like the dude and wouldn't mind him representing the city for 8-10 more years, retiring a Pelican.
Anderson provides a rare combination of skills and salary that fit with the long-term plan for this team (as near as I can tell), but if he can be moved to bring in an even rarer talent, so be it.
I like the dude and wouldn't mind him representing the city for 8-10 more years, retiring a Pelican.
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Posted on 4/28/13 at 12:06 pm to brmark70816
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Was he brought here to be a 6th man?
Who says he wasn't? They've had him coming off the bench from day 1 despite many of us thinking Davis and Anderson would start the season even after the media started calling Lopez the starting center as soon as he arrived.
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I didn't understand why they traded for him (other than it was a trade rape that Dell couldn't resist),
Trade rape isn't reason enough? We aren't throwing around Kevin Love trade scenarios if we have Ayon and cap space still on the team.
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No team gives a guy 9m a year to be a 6th man. J. Crawford only got 5m..
As has been said, this is wrong. Jason Terry and Jamal Crawford got $5 million deals because they are on the downside of their careers. The 6th men that get paid are typically the ones you develop or trade for, not sign, like the contracts Crawford and Terry had before they were too old to be worth a long term deal worth $10ish million. If Harden had been just really good instead of great he'd probably be OKC's 6th man on a deal like Ibaka got. Playoff teams are the ones with the real need for a 6th man, but once you're a playoff team your signings of external players are limited to the MLE.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:12 pm to brmark70816
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I don't care for that comparison or think it fits
It actually fits perfectly. No one seriously thinks Anderson is as any where near as good as Manu or anything like that.
But Manu comes off the bench because Parker starts. Anderson comes off the bench because Davis starts. Lopez is the specialist here.
Manu/Parker have averaged about 15 mpg together since 2008. Davis/Anderson are at 10 mpg when Monty was specifically trying to protect the rookie- their post ASB 2 man lineup #s were promising.
Methinks they will see an increase in shared time next season.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 3:02 pm to drake20
quote:Thats a convenient argument
So he improved a lot this year because he shot the same percentage without all those wide open shots created by Howard?
Or maybe the guy's a 38% 3 point shooter.
Thats besides the point though. My point has always been that nobody, not Anderson or anyone else, should have any affect on how we develop AD.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 3:38 pm to corndeaux
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But Manu comes off the bench because Parker starts. Anderson comes off the bench because Davis starts
I understand your point and where you are going with it, but Manu started the whole '09 season. He has been hurt alot since that time, which is why they cut his minutes so much. Plus, they play different positions. Manu backs up Danny Green.
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Manu/Parker have averaged about 15 mpg together since 2008
That isn't suprising considering Manu has only played around 25 mpg since that time. So he plays about 10 mpg without Parker. But it's not like they are splitting time.
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Methinks they will see an increase in shared time next season.
Most articles I have read suggest the same thing. But those sources also point to Davis moving to Center. They say he put up better numbers there and that is the best way to get Anderson on the floor with him. So you are probably right, especially if they pick-up a Center this year.
But lets say they draft or sign a Center. Do they keep Lopez (?) and if they do, what does that do to playing Davis and Anderson together? If they have Len (ugh) or Al Jefferson and Lopez playing Center, how do Anderson and Davis get minutes together? Plus J. Smith is just done then..
Posted on 4/28/13 at 5:01 pm to brmark70816
Good points on Manu. I will agree that it isn't the best comparison. 
If they draft one, they move Lopez or Smiht to open up minutes and get perimeter help. I doubt the rookie plays much more than 20mpg his first year.
You're absolutely right about it not working if they sign Jefferson (no thanks) or Pekovic (fine by me) this summer. If that happens, they should move Anderson for perimeter help very quickly.
It all depends on how they project Davis. If they think he will grow into playing some C, then IMO Anderson is a great fit and there isn't a need to bring in a stud C. Lopez or whoever is the Danny Green in this equation. He plays, has a role, but is a "starter" in name only and isn't part of the crunch time 5.
If they don't think Davis will be able to play C, then moving Anderson makes more sense.
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But lets say they draft or sign a Center. Do they keep Lopez (?) and if they do, what does that do to playing Davis and Anderson together?
If they draft one, they move Lopez or Smiht to open up minutes and get perimeter help. I doubt the rookie plays much more than 20mpg his first year.
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Al Jefferson and Lopez playing Center, how do Anderson and Davis get minutes together? Plus J. Smith is just done then..
You're absolutely right about it not working if they sign Jefferson (no thanks) or Pekovic (fine by me) this summer. If that happens, they should move Anderson for perimeter help very quickly.
It all depends on how they project Davis. If they think he will grow into playing some C, then IMO Anderson is a great fit and there isn't a need to bring in a stud C. Lopez or whoever is the Danny Green in this equation. He plays, has a role, but is a "starter" in name only and isn't part of the crunch time 5.
If they don't think Davis will be able to play C, then moving Anderson makes more sense.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 8:44 pm to corndeaux
I think the reason RA is so valuable is he is the equivalent offensive threat from the 3 as Peja (or what Belinelli was supposed to be), but at 6'11. I think he gives us flexibility at the close of games; if we get a close out C and play AD in crunch time at the 4, he could hang outside on the wing. If AD grows into a 5, he can play the 4.
I agree with VOR; he was asked to do alot down the stretch and with so many contributors out (EG on back to backs, Gravy, AR who was starting to show flashes, AD, etc.), and defensively other teams keyed in on stopping him since he was our biggest offensive threat. He practiced all off season with Smiht, who was 3rd on the team in FG% when he got hurt, and then he was basically our bench scoring unit.
In terms of his defensive weakness, that's why the Hornets had him off the bench....he wouldn't be as exposed as against the elite starters if most of his minutes are against the 2's.
I agree with VOR; he was asked to do alot down the stretch and with so many contributors out (EG on back to backs, Gravy, AR who was starting to show flashes, AD, etc.), and defensively other teams keyed in on stopping him since he was our biggest offensive threat. He practiced all off season with Smiht, who was 3rd on the team in FG% when he got hurt, and then he was basically our bench scoring unit.
In terms of his defensive weakness, that's why the Hornets had him off the bench....he wouldn't be as exposed as against the elite starters if most of his minutes are against the 2's.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 11:23 pm to brmark70816
What exactly do you want to flip him for? There is more to the team then just a starting 5. You trade Anderson and then it just opens another need. At some point you need to be content with your actual good players and build around them.
And 38% for a guy who shot almost 600 threes really isn't bad at all. Give me a break.
And 38% for a guy who shot almost 600 threes really isn't bad at all. Give me a break.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 9:40 am to brmark70816
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Amen. I was opposed to picking up Anderson from the beginning. We already had a good back-up PF in Landry and Ayon had good chemistry with Vasquez. So they traded away Ayon and let Landry walk. If you compare Anderson to Landry this year..
Anderson-
30.9 mpg, 16.2 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.2 apg, 18.2 PER
Landry-
23.2 mpg, 10.8 ppg, 6.0 rgp, .80 apg, 17.6 PER
Anderson makes 9m a year, Landry makes 4m. Did we really upgrade that much?
Comeon man. Landry had Curry/Jack/Thompson. Anderson had Vasquez/Rivers/Roberts/ 50% Gordon. At least find a player on a crappy team to compare him to, not one that's up 3-1 in the playoffs.
Anderson's % dipped because he was terrible late in the year. You could tell mentally that he was slumping and he needs to find a way to fight through those slumps. His form dipped dramatically too. He started pushing his shots, stopped following through, and was shooting flat footed. I'm hoping this isn't a trend with him.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 9:53 am to ShamelessPel
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At least find a player on a crappy team to compare him to, not one that's up 3-1 in the playoffs.
I'm comparing him to the guy he replaced. Why wouldn't I? Him having a good year helps my point.
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