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re: Amin Elhassan on Alvin Gentry
Posted on 6/1/15 at 10:41 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 6/1/15 at 10:41 am to TigerinATL
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Gentry better be as good as his supporters say, because he has a pretty high standared to live up to and Monty and Demps have already used up all the excuses.
This is the bottom line. Demps got his guy and neither has any excuses. Even the injury excuse has been spent.
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Posted on 6/1/15 at 10:45 am to LosLobos111
Wow I had no idea Joe Dumars was still playing in 98-99 
Posted on 6/1/15 at 10:49 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Even the injury excuse has been spent.
i agree. Monty won 45 without Jrue just about all season, with an absolutely horrid EG before he came back from his injury of 20 games, and without Ryno for 20 games to go with the horrid play of his on the road.
AD missed 14 games, most of which were in crucial parts of the season.
And he didn't have Cole or QPon to help out for half the season.
There really is no excuse to not make the playoffs, unless AD gets significantly hurt.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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look this is a noble goal, but it's not a realistic goal given this sport, league, and our situation
But we have an X factor in Davis. Normally I'd agree. Hell I'd totally agree with this statement if we had CP3, a top 2 PG in the league currently and probably a top 10 PG of all time.
The right parts around Davis and we can definitely win a championship. Sure we will likely never become a dynasty or anything close to that, but I think to say it's wholly unrealistic to win a championship at some point in Davis's NOLA career is just not true.
Look at GS just 2 or 3 years ago. They had plenty of young talent, but no way in hell I or most would say that a championship (or a finals appearance) was in their near future. Look at them now.
This post was edited on 6/1/15 at 10:53 am
Posted on 6/1/15 at 11:03 am to JohnnyKilroy
Dallas found a way to surround Dirk with enough pieces to win one.
No reason we can't do the same with AD.
No reason we can't do the same with AD.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 11:13 am to TeddyPadillac
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Dallas found a way to surround Dirk with enough pieces to win one.
Exactly. And while it was just their first year, Dallas took down an all time team to win that championship as well.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 11:31 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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This question is asinine and arrogant.
He clearly based his entire opinion on a W-L record. He said that. He didnt analyze AT ALL
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3) Have a differing opinion, none of which can be proven correct without a clear view of the reality of the future.
Yes but if argued with an expert in string theory on topic that couldnt be proven, whos opinion would give more weight?
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I think I'm clearly more intelligent than you are, and that's the only thing that matters.
I think thats very telling. So yes, we agree.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 11:31 am to tgr4ever
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In Detroit he was picking up the pieces after Doug Collins left and Grant Hill injuries started to begin.
Not only is this a total oversimplification of his issues as coach in Detroit, it is false. George Irvine was the coach when Grant Hill started having trouble with his ankle.
This post was edited on 6/1/15 at 11:32 am
Posted on 6/1/15 at 11:43 am to Hester Carries
another positive assessment
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He will bring life, pace and spacing to a Pelicans offense that often underachieved and at times defied logic this season. Despite ranking fourth in 3-point percentage, they were just 23rd in 3-point attempts. Despite having a young team and one of the most athletically gifted players in the history of the NBA, they ranked just 27th in pace. Despite Davis being the most efficient high-volume scorer in the league, he too often was left to stand around and watch Tyreke Evans go into Kobe mode. It was frustrating to watch, and I am confident Gentry will put it right.
Davis was by far the leader in points per half court touch among players who touched the ball at least 4,000 times this season. And yet, he was just 84th – 84th! – in touches among players who played at least 20 games. At 58.9 touches per game he touched the ball less than the likes of Thaddeus Young, Evan Turner and Pau Gasol – and far less than Tyreke, who averaged 74.6 touches per game. Davis under Monty was slightly reminiscent of Steph Curry under Mark Jackson – an outrageous and incredibly efficient offensive player who could be even better under a smarter coach.
LINK
Posted on 6/1/15 at 11:45 am to cgrand
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Gentry’s success in Phoenix prior to his ill-advised firing remains perhaps the best indicator of his potential success in New Orleans. In 2009/10, Gentry took a Suns team built around a post-microfracture surgery Amare, Jason Richardson, a 35-year-old Steve Nash and a 37-year-old Grant Hill and led them to 54 wins and as deep a playoff run as any in Nash’s career. Remarkably, a year after finishing in the lottery, they were a fortuitous Ron Artest game winner away from taking a 3-2 lead over the Lakers in the Conference Finals despite Kobe Bryant averaging 34 points, 8 assists and 7 rebounds for the series.
It remains one of the more underrated coaching jobs in recent memory and one that Gentry’s doubters would do well to revisit. Gentry infused an ageing team with life, reinstituting the foundations of the Mike D’Antoni “seven seconds or less” offense and making it more prolific. Statistically speaking, the ‘09/10 Suns were the greatest offensive team of the last 20 years, scoring an astonishing 115.3 points per 100 possessions – a number only Magic’s Lakers, Bird’s Celtics and Jordan’s Bulls have ever topped in the annals of NBA history.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 11:52 am to Hester Carries
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Yes but if argued with an expert in string theory on topic that couldnt be proven, whos opinion would give more weight?
So, you're going to compare someone considered an expert with a doctorate in theoretical physics discussing string theory to talking heads telling us why a sub-.500 coach is a good hire?
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I think thats very telling. So yes, we agree.
I really hope you understand that the comment you quoted was sarcastic tit-for-tat mocking the elitism associated with thinking you are more knowledgeable than anyone else on this board.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 11:56 am to Hester Carries
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He clearly based his entire opinion on a W-L record. He said that. He didnt analyze AT ALL
I honestly thought you were responding to one of my posts. That said, my point stands: the belittling of people who don't like the hire is a childish exercise in groupthink. Do you really think the guy has no other context at all about the records? That assumes he has no clue who Gentry has coached or for how long. It's as lazy as the mythical people who haven't considered context at all.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:07 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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I really hope you understand that the comment you quoted was sarcastic tit-for-tat mocking the elitism associated with thinking you are more knowledgeable than anyone else on this board
When did i say this?
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That said, my point stands: the belittling of people who don't like the hire is a childish exercise in groupthink.
I didnt "belittle" him for what he thought? I "belittled" him for why he thought it.
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Do you really think the guy has no other context at all about the records? That assumes he has no clue who Gentry has coached or for how long.
So instead of taking him at his word for what his reasons are, when they are insufficient, im to assume that surely he must have other reasons, even when they have been excluded from his complaint.
If you are going to honestly say that this guy doesnt just know Gentry has a losing record and therefor must be a bad coach, you are only giving him the BOTD because he his end opinion is the same as yours.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:08 pm to cgrand
Good link. Probably a little too easy on some of his flaws, but it echoes what the BBS pod said about fit and where the game is headed. Gentry makes sense in that context.
Also enjoyed the link to Davis as an all timer in the article as well.
Also enjoyed the link to Davis as an all timer in the article as well.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:11 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
I was not a fan of Gentry when his name came up, and kind of rage-posted when it started to be clear he was getting the job. However, he's the coach now and i'm all in with the guy. Reading The Advocate article and other pieces on how Demps came to his decision, you can't help but respect his process.
With that said, i've watched sports all my life and have never seen folks go to these lengths to minimize the importance of a w/l record. I get that its 2015 and we dig deeper than the surface(Monty's record is skewed b/c we blew it up after CP left), but damn, you're basaically called a moron if you bring it up.
With that said, i've watched sports all my life and have never seen folks go to these lengths to minimize the importance of a w/l record. I get that its 2015 and we dig deeper than the surface(Monty's record is skewed b/c we blew it up after CP left), but damn, you're basaically called a moron if you bring it up.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:33 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:you also gotta take everything I say with a grain of salt. I'm easily one of the least knowledgeable basketball posters on this board and i'm not exaggerating so it's 99% likely everything I say is completely wrong
Well, Fear has been a big pumper on this hire, but has been one of the biggest debbie downers over the last 2 seasons, so it was more to clarify which sets of downers/pumpers we're talking about. VOR is the only person who is consistently pro-everything.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:34 pm to eyeran
Scotty Brooks won 62% of his games and a conference title, yet he was blasted on here when people brought him up as a possibility
Mark Jackson? Winning coach no one wanted
Avery Johnson? Won 58% of his games and a conference title. Could have been the most hated candidate
I don't see how anyone could not agree it goes far beyond w/l
Mark Jackson? Winning coach no one wanted
Avery Johnson? Won 58% of his games and a conference title. Could have been the most hated candidate
I don't see how anyone could not agree it goes far beyond w/l
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:42 pm to GynoSandberg
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I don't see how anyone could not agree it goes far beyond w/l
If you don't count the drive by melts from posters we've never seen before, I think there are 2 camps of Gentry doubters.
Camp 1, which I don't subscribe to, is he's had several chances and not done much with them in the past, so why are we wasting 2-3 years of AD's time with a guy likely to fail again.
Camp 2, which I do subscribe to, is that defense was a much bigger problem than offense, and moving into the top 10 on defense helps more than moving into the top 3 on offense, and it's easier to believe that a defensive coach like JVG or Thibs could do that while not messing up the offense than bringing in a defensive assistant could fix the defense. If it was that simple why didn't they ever force Monty to actually replace Malone?
Glancing at the potential assistants does give me hope though. Washington's personnel isn't that different from ours in terms of defensive ability and distribution on the roster yet they were a top 5 defense. And that's what I found after checking out just one candidate. So I am giving Gentry a chance and hopeful it will work out, but there's legit reason to think that choosing offense over defense was the wrong direction.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:03 pm to TigerinATL
Which is all fair. That's deeper than a w/l record
But you (not you personally) also cannot ignore personnel bc it fits the narrative. Good teams do not change coaches mid season. The majority of Gentry's resume consists of teams he took over mid season and beyond. The deck is already stacked against you. That's not even a practice we see happen anymore, really.
On the flip, Brooks can lead a team to a 60+% winning percentage, yet people still question his coaching prowess. Dig deeper and he has 2 top 10 players and a defensive MVP candidate to work with and you can say it would hard to be bad
How many bad teams are success? Good players win games, bad players lose games. Sometimes coaching only does so much
But you (not you personally) also cannot ignore personnel bc it fits the narrative. Good teams do not change coaches mid season. The majority of Gentry's resume consists of teams he took over mid season and beyond. The deck is already stacked against you. That's not even a practice we see happen anymore, really.
On the flip, Brooks can lead a team to a 60+% winning percentage, yet people still question his coaching prowess. Dig deeper and he has 2 top 10 players and a defensive MVP candidate to work with and you can say it would hard to be bad
How many bad teams are success? Good players win games, bad players lose games. Sometimes coaching only does so much
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:12 pm to TigerinATL
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Camp 2, which I do subscribe to, is that defense was a much bigger problem than offense
I've warmed up a lot to the Gentry hire, but I agree with this. Of course he can bring in a top defensive assistant and the defense can improve greatly, but until that person is hired, it will be a question mark. Listening to the podcast, one name that intrigues me that I haven't heard that much is Andy Greer.
My other concern with Gentry is age. IIRC, he will be the third oldest HC in the league once he takes over. I was hoping for someone younger that can grow with AD, but if Gentry gives us 5-7 really good years, it shouldn't be hard to replace him with a great candidate. So not a HUGE concern for me, but still a concern.
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